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US could be under rightwing dictator by 2030, Canadian professor warns

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  1. T_Man

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-could-under-rightwing-dictator-060039799.html

    The US could be under a rightwing dictatorship by 2030, a Canadian political science professor has warned, urging his country to protect itself against the “collapse of American democracy”.

    Related: America is now in fascism’s legal phase | Jason Stanley

    “We mustn’t dismiss these possibilities just because they seem ludicrous or too horrible to imagine,” Thomas Homer-Dixon, founding director of the Cascade Institute at Royal Roads University in British Columbia, wrote in the Globe and Mail.

    “In 2014, the suggestion that Donald Trump would become president would also have struck nearly everyone as absurd. But today we live in a world where the absurd regularly becomes real and the horrible commonplace.”

    Homer-Dixon’s message was blunt: “By 2025, American democracy could collapse, causing extreme domestic political instability, including widespread civil violence. By 2030, if not sooner, the country could be governed by a rightwing dictatorship.”

    The author cited eventualities centered on a Trump return to the White House in 2024, possibly including Republican-held state legislatures refusing to accept a Democratic win.

    Trump, he warned, “will have only two objectives, vindication and vengeance” of the lie that his 2020 defeat by Joe Biden was the result of electoral fraud.

    A “scholar of violent conflict” for more than four decades, Homer-Dixon said Canada must take heed of the “unfolding crisis”.

    “A terrible storm is coming from the south, and Canada is woefully unprepared. Over the past year we’ve turned our attention inward, distracted by the challenges of Covid-19, reconciliation and the accelerating effects of climate change.

    “But now we must focus on the urgent problem of what to do about the likely unraveling of democracy in the United States. We need to start by fully recognising the magnitude of the danger. If Mr Trump is re-elected, even under the more optimistic scenarios the economic and political risks to our country will be innumerable.”

    Homer-Dixon said he even saw a scenario in which a new Trump administration, having effectively nullified internal opposition, deliberately damaged its northern neighbor.

    “Under the less-optimistic scenarios, the risks to our country in their cumulative effect could easily be existential, far greater than any in our federation’s history. What happens, for instance, if high-profile political refugees fleeing persecution arrive in our country and the US regime demands them back. Do we comply?”

    Related: One in three Americans say violence against government justified – poll

    Trump, he said, “and a host of acolytes and wannabes such as Fox [News]’s Tucker Carlson and Georgia representative Marjorie Taylor Greene”, had transformed the Republican party “into a near-fascist personality cult that’s a perfect instrument for wrecking democracy”.

    Worse, he said, Trump “may be just a warm-up act”.

    “Returning to office, he’ll be the wrecking ball that demolishes democracy but the process will produce a political and social shambles,” Homer-Dixon said.

    “Still, through targeted harassment and dismissal, he’ll be able to thin the ranks of his movement’s opponents within the state, the bureaucrats, officials and technocrats who oversee the non-partisan functioning of core institutions and abide by the rule of law.

    “Then the stage will be set for a more managerially competent ruler, after Mr Trump, to bring order to the chaos he’s created.”


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    Get some sleep
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    Isn't a Canadian Professor just another name for a hockey coach?
     
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    Lots of things could happen.
     
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    Yes. How do you see the 2024 election playing out if a blue presidential candidate wins a legslative red state by thin margins. Certified?
     
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    Corpocracy?

    Corporations, trade groups gave over $8 million to GOP election objectors following Jan. 6 riot, new study shows

    • After the Jan. 6 riot, corporations and trade groups combined to give over $8 million to Republican lawmakers who objected to the 2020 presidential election, according to a study from watchdog group Accountable.US.
    • The American Bankers Association has since contributed over $200,000 to Republican objectors, including to the campaign of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.
    • Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and General Motors have contributed over $650,000 to a batch of GOP election objectors since Jan. 6 after declaring their pause in contributions.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/03/cor...lection-objectors-after-jan-6-riot-study.html
     
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    Probably meant for self labeled "moderates" who think that "it can't happen here".

    The former president along with 35-40% of the country are convinced our vote counting system is completely fraudulent and their guy who lost the election should be president. Those same people check mark all the other signs of fascism such as an addiction to peg "cultural Marxism" as the quintessential threat that plagues the human race, a call or desire to "return back to the better days", attempting to end free speech in a education system that shouldn't propagandized with jingoism, rhetoric that the national ethnic identity is loosing out to the "others", hyper machismo... so on and so forth.

    We have a spitting image of right wing activists during the Weimar Republic minus having a hardened war veteran presence full of crazy people who experienced the worst of trench warfare and a hyper inflated economy. Luckily the right wing is mostly full of Larping out of shape dumb ****s who never fired a weapon at another human rather than hardened trench warfare vets. That alone might be what saves us from a full on fascist takeover.
     
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    Maybe we should just willingly let them not vote? Sounds good to me...
     
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    Trump would love to rule forever.

    Donald Trump can't get enough of 'strong' authoritarians

    On Monday night, former President Donald Trump endorsed Viktor Orban, the prime minister of Hungary, for reelection.

    Orban, over the past decade, has sought to consolidate power and eliminate both his opposition and the country's free media. And Trump admires him for it.

    And it's not just Orban. During Trump's time as a candidate for president and then in office, he regularly praised authoritarian leaders for their strength and toughness. (Emphasis below is mine.)

    On Russian President Vladimir Putin: "The man has very strong control over a country. Now, it's a very different system and I don't happen to like the system, but certainly in that system, he's been a leader. Far more than our president has been a leader."

    On Chinese President Xi Jinping: "And I like President Xi a lot. I consider him a friend, and -- but I like him a lot. I've gotten to know him very well. He's a strong gentleman, right? Anybody that -- he's a strong guy, tough guy."

    On Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan: "President Erdogan. He's tough, but I get along with him. And maybe that's a bad thing, but I think it's a really good thing."


    The point here is pretty simple: Trump very much believes that might makes right. He admires authoritarians like Orban (and Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, whom he endorsed last year) because he is attracted to their ability to do whatever they want whenever they want. He is not concerned with the impacts on a free society of having a leader of the sort Orban is. His thought process never gets that far; it's simply that these guys are tough, and Trump not only likes tough but aspires to be tough like them.

    In his mind, leaders take as much power as they can for as long as they can. Which explains not just his support for Orban but also his continued efforts to undermine the free and fair presidential election of 2020.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/04/politics/trump-viktor-orban-election-endorsement/index.html
     
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    Remember when they were saying Trump wouldn't leave if he lost the 2020 election? This dude probably predicted that too. We got all this fascists dictatorship rhetoric from the first day of the Trump election but none of it came to pass. He huffed and puffed because he is a sore loser but he left peacefully none the less.
     
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    Dems gonna roll out 82 y/o Biden and Kamala as opposition in 2024…LOL

    people even mentioned Pete Buttigieg

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    So off the mark with that prediction. Trump gracefully accepted the election results and today proudly sits as a former president who isn't trying to convince the country they the election was stolen.
     
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    You can't be serious...I guess you regurgitate that talking points of Jan 6th being a tourist walkthrough?
     
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    The greatest warning that really should be talked about more is how likely it is that if the Republican party officially decides to overturn Democratic elections (which.... they ARE planning on doing. We'll see how successful they'll be which is the big bet right now), that a LEFTIST response will actually be much much more likely to come into play that dramatically affects the lives of Conservative Americans.

    A leftist fascist response will certainly have the support of China who would see this as positive for their long term prospects of governing the way they want to. You think "Cancel culture" is bad now???.... just wait Trumpers.

    So this ball is in the court for you guys like BigTex, OS Trig, Bobby, etc. who are right wingers who don't take this seriously because you think if it happens you'll be fine since your party will be dictating a society you identify with anyways. A leftist populist authoritarian is likely to be much much more popular and effective than a clown like Trump.

    You guys should pay more attention to the pathways you are trail blazing. You have the options in 22, and especially in 24 to support Republican candidates who do not wish to overturn elections and dictate policy rather than governing under a Democratic Republic. Just be careful what you wish for. Liberals can figure out how to steal elections and use violence to take power too.
     
  18. T_Man

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    Yeah... I was like What Tha Hell... When I read that...

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    I don't know about dictatorship, but our democracy is already on the high-risk path of being fked thx to Trump and Republican leaderships and millions of his supporters (70%) who believe the election was stolen or are too stupid to see the threats to democracy posed by Trump and his allies.
     
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    Man this is right on point...

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