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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. I. LEWIS LIBBY, also known as "SCOOTER LIBBY"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. rimrocker

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    Josh says...
     
  2. rimrocker

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    Comment via Washington Monthly...

     
  3. Deckard

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    That's an interesting article. I know Fitzgerald is methodical, so perhaps he has some evidence that Cheney is going to find very unappetizing. It does seem unlikely that he would open as he did without good reason. I sure hope this doesn't drag on as long as you think it might, though.



    D&D. Who would have Thunk It?
     
  4. mc mark

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    josh on the trial so far --

    I was just reading over a few of the articles about the Libby trial and Vice President Cheney's central role in orchestrating the attack on Joe Wilson in order to cover-up Cheney's complicity in and essential authorship of one of the central lies at the core of the Bush administration's case for war. The truth, though, is that we are not really examining the cover-up in this case so much as we are still living within it. Most of the key facts of this episode either remain entirely concealed or buried under a mass of government produced misinformation. The Senate intelligence committee report, authored by Republicans, but shamelessly and with great cowardice okayed by senate Democrats? I've been asked many times why the Democrats signed off on this fraudulent document. I think there are two basic reasons -- or two categories of reasons.

    First, as hard as it is to say, shallow and poor staff work on the Democratic side, abetted, caused and hopelessly bound up with senators unwilling to get their noses dirty or their ribs bruised. Second, there was a more specific and complex error. In so many words, the Democrats agreed to let the Republican authors of the report lie and deceive as much as they wanted on the Niger/Uranium and Wilson/Plame fronts in exchange for allowing a semi-revealing look at other instances of flawed Iraq intelligence. For the minority party to bargain for lies in some areas and portions of the truth in others is a tactic with rather inherent drawbacks. But in this case it displayed a telling obliviousness to the political context of that moment.

    In this case, the senate Republicans (and the White House officials who were directing their actions) knew what they were doing; the Democrats didn't. The Niger-Wilson-Plame saga had become a singular one in the larger debate over the administration's use of falsified intelligence in driving the country to war. Whether it merited that singular importance on the merits is certainly subject to debate, though I believe there's a good case that it did. But as the debate had evolved it was that singular.

    It was the most damaging to the White House and particularly to Vice President Cheney whose bad acts had tracked the evolution of the story from beginning to end. Killing that story or doing it great damage was critical to the White House. Airing the details of this or that technical discussion about aerosolization of chemical agents or precision machine parts, while important in itself, would count for little in the broader public debate. Bargaining one for the other made perfect sense for the White House and senate Republicans. And the Democrats went along with it because at a basic level they were simply in over their heads. In doing this the Democrats failed twice over -- first on the more substantive level of signing of on a fraudulent report and then second in not even grasping the political context or consequences of the report itself.

    As long as that report remains the official word on the matter, the Democrats on the Intelligence Committee remain complicit in the web of official lies about the lead up to war.

    And what about the law enforcement investigation of the Niger forgeries themselves. Here too the White House has taken effective steps to prevent any real investigation. I've written at length before about the joke which has been the FBI's investigation of the Niger matter. But roughly a year ago, a colleague and I sat down with two federal law enforcement officials with detailed knowledge of the bureau's investigation of the Niger matter. The trail, of course, led to Italy. So any progress is getting to the bottom of the matter would require the Italians to cooperate with US law enforcement to get to the bottom of what hapened. Only the Italians didn't want to cooperate. That's not altogether surprising given that Italy's lead intelligence agency was implicated in the fraud. But to get action, the FBI needed the US government to make clear to the Italian government that we desired their cooperation. But the Bush administration simply refused to do this. They had a tacit understanding with the Italian government to stonewall the investigation.

    The catalog of official lies in this matter goes on and on.

    -- Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
     
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    http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dyna...RIAL?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

     
  6. mc mark

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    [​IMG]

    "not going to protect one staffer [Rove] and sacrifice the guy [Libby]this Pres. asked to stick his head in the meat grinder because of the incompetence of others."
     
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    the puffington host weighs in a key prosecution witness tim russert.

    [rquoter]Arianna Huffington
    The Libby Trial: Why Did Tim Russert Fight So Hard to Avoid Telling the Grand Jury What He Had Already Told the FBI?

    Tim Russert hobbled into the courtroom this afternoon on crutches. When he left the stand at the end of the day (slated to return for more cross-examination tomorrow) his credibility had been so hobbled it needed a pair of crutches of its own.

    The key moment of Russert's testimony came when he was being cross-examined by Theodore Wells, one of Scooter Libby's two main defense attorneys.

    During Wells' cross, it came out that when Russert was initially contacted by the FBI in November 2003, he freely told the agent interviewing him, Agent Eckenrode, everything that he later spent months trying to avoid telling to the federal grand jury investigating the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity (see Tom Maguire). The question is, Why?

    Why, if Russert had already told the FBI all about his July 10 or July 11 conversation with Libby, would he fight so hard to quash the subpoena compelling him to testify?

    Why claim the confidential nature of the Libby call as a reason not to testify, when he had failed to claim any confidentiality privilege during his FBI interview?

    Why wasn't the fact that Russert had already unloaded to the FBI included in his sworn declaration to Judge Hogan trying to quash the subpoena?

    Why did Russert not recall, as he told Wells twice, whether he had informed NBC News President Neil Shapiro that he had already told the FBI what NBC was fighting hard to protect him from having to tell the grand jury?

    And why, since Russert had already told the FBI, didn't he deem it his journalistic duty to also tell the public?

    More to come...[/rquoter]

    and this from a long article on the russert testimony by clarice feldman at the american thinker.

    [rquoter]In sum, Wells established that (a) the FBI report of his conversations (they say he had two, he only recalls one) made far closer in time to the event indicate he conceded that Ms. Wilson's name may have come up in their conversation though he earlier discounted that as "impossible" (b) In a heated matter involving the Buffalo News, his own memory was faulty. He'd made two angry calls to a critical reporter, denied that he had, and then, after checking his phone records, apologized, asserting he had no memory whatsoever of the calls, and (c) while making an impassioned plea for the right of reporters to protect the confidentiality of sources, he'd already twice discussed the Libby exchanges with the FBI and failed to disclose that to the Court or the public.

    From a filing by the prosecutor last evening trying to block inquiry into the accommodations made to Russert for his (total of 22 minutes) deposition testimony in his lawyer's offices, it appears that while this last point was not specifically noted in any pleadings I can see, the defense was provided with the FBI notes which provided some notice to them of the discrepancies in the NBC public pleading and that it contained a false suggestion that Russert had not already cooperated with the government. It is not clear that this Court, or the Court which determined the related case on the reporters' obligation to testify, was ever informed that the Russert filing was false.[/rquoter]
     
  8. underoverup

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    is that from cheney, bush, or someone else?
     
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    It is from Cheney.
     
  10. basso

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/13/cia.leak.ap/index.html

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    Vice President Cheney will not testify at Libby trial

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Neither Vice President Dick Cheney nor his former aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby will testify at Libby's perjury and obstruction trial in the CIA leak case, Libby's lawyer said Tuesday.

    Defense attorney Theodore Wells said he advised Cheney's lawyer over lunch that the vice president's testimony would not be needed. Wells also said he planned to rest his case this week without calling Libby.

    In December, Wells had announced he would call Cheney as a defense witness. Historians said it would have been the first time a sitting vice president would have sat as a witness in a criminal case.

    Libby is accused of lying and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity. Plame is married to former ambassador and prominent war critic Joseph Wilson.

    Attorneys said Cheney was willing to testify and, as recently as two weeks ago, Cheney said in an interview that he planned to be a witness. Libby, too, once seemed a likely witness. Pretrial documents said he would testify about his busy schedule and the national security issues that weighed on his mind.

    But when U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton asked Libby in court Tuesday whether he was sure he did not want to testify. Libby responded: "Yes, your honor."

    Defense attorneys say they plan to rest their case after they question three CIA briefers about Libby's daily intelligence briefings. Prosecutors say those briefers shouldn't be allowed to testify now that Libby isn't going to take the stand.

    Libby is accused of lying to investigators about his conversations with reporters regarding Plame. Prosecutors say Libby learned Plame's identity from Cheney and other officials, relayed that information to reporters, then concocted a story to cover it up.

    Libby says he was preoccupied with national security intelligence and honestly forgot details about Plame. He says he learned her identity from Cheney, forgot it, and learned it again a month later from NBC's Tim Russert and believed it was new information.

    With Cheney and Libby off the witness list, attorneys said they planned to rest Wednesday. That schedule could be derailed if snow and freezing rain continued in Washington. Court closed early Tuesday because of the weather. Closing arguments will be held next week, Walton said.

    Libby's defense team had planned to call Cheney to testify about his former aide's memory and his intense workload. Putting Cheney on the stand would have opened him up to cross-examination about how closely he was monitoring Wilson's criticism of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

    Wilson, who conducted a CIA-sponsored trip to Niger, said he debunked prewar intelligence that Iraq sought to buy uranium from the African nation. That intelligence was still used as a basis for the invasion.

    Fitzgerald argues that Libby was eager to discredit Wilson because he viewed Wilson as a threat to the credibility of Cheney and Bush.

    By not taking the stand, Libby is giving up part of his defense. Walton said he would not allow defense attorneys to tell jurors that Libby considered his national security responsibilities more important than Wilson. Only Libby could tell jurors what he considered important, Walton said.
    Former colleague describes faulty memory

    Earlier on Tuesday, Cheney's national security adviser described Libby as someone responsible for the nation's most sensitive intelligence but whose memory was notoriously spotty.

    John Hannah, who served as Libby's deputy in 2003 and 2004, described a workday that began with a highly classified CIA briefing and continued at breakneck speed from one top-level meeting to the next.(Watch as a State Department official discusses Plame with a Washington Post reporter Video)

    "He was the key person talking about and helping advise the vice president on issues of homeland security," Hannah testified.

    Hannah is a critical defense witness because he bolsters Libby's argument that he was focused on terrorist threats, foreign intelligence and war planning. And when it came to remembering things in such a fast-paced environment, Hannah said, Libby frequently faltered.

    "On certain things, Scooter just had an awful memory," Hannah said.[/rquoter]

    it'd be so awesome if the MSM at least tried to get the basics right:

    "That intelligence was still used as a basis for the invasion."

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. mc mark

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    Jurors reach verdict in CIA leak case

    2 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - Jurors reached a verdict Tuesday in the trial of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, a former White House aide accused of lying and obstructing an investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

    The verdict will be read at 12 noon EST

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cia_leak_trial;_ylt=AqglOOlDXK57.cIoho9bCjSs0NUE
     
  12. weslinder

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    I've got a dollar on not guilty.
     
  13. mc mark

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    You'll probably win.
     
  14. RocketMan Tex

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    You lose. He's been found guilty on multiple counts, according to CNN.
     
  15. mc mark

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    justice is served! who's next?
     
  17. updawg

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    Guilty on 4 out of 5 counts
     
  18. mc mark

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    See if Libby will flip and go after Cheney.
     
  19. RocketMan Tex

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    I hope you're right, but I think you are wrong. Libby is the sacrificial lamb.
     
  20. mc mark

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    Time to get out the pardon pen.
     

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