UN and Israel

The reason IMO why there are so many UN resolutions like this is because UN resolutions only matter to the insignificant countries thus the insignificant countries put all of the time and effort into getting them passed....and insignificant countries generally hate Israel.

I don't see any reason to abolish the UN though, just ignore it.

 

touchy subject.
"I'm not touching this with a 10ft pole, Bill. " drexlerism

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TIL that Germany is insignificant .

 

Tying this back to the Jerusalem thread.

I don't see how the solution here is to have the U.S. entangled further in this, either diplomatically or militarily.

I have a realist view of the situation, and it is very grim. There will be no rest for Israel until either it or its enemies are completely destroyed.

I have no interest in seeing my country involved in such a conflict (or doing anything which will encourage such a conflict), other than providing safe haven for Israelis whom wish to leave.

 

Exactly. With Saudia Arabia solidifying power in the region, this will only further destabilize the region and tie up our resources.

It seems the proponents of further entangling the US in the Middle East are just doing it to spite Muslims.

 

Why do you want less stability in the Middle East?

 

I've asked, repeatedly, for someone to give me good cause to support Israel in this. Nobody can seem to provide an answer.

I've tried to come up with my own reasons, but outside of shared values and a nice place to park our tanks in the Middle East, I can't really come up with any reason why I should care.

 

Grief over WW2? That plays a big part for me, and why I'm hesitant to take a side here. Me having an Islamic bloodline (but being a fervent agnostic) I almost feel shamed when I don't support Isreal in everything they do. Like friends will say "you only support Palestine because of your parents". The issue is, it's hard to be mad at a country and a religion. If it was one or the other it might be easier, and heck, we might be able to fix this faster.

 

I love & respect Jewish culture, believe in their right to a nation-state, but danm...wish they'd stop building settlements in occupied territory.

 

I personally say give them some of the southern states, and let them do what they want. Florida, it's yours. Alabama? Roll Jewish Tide. Georgia, sorry Barkley but now you're a foreigner and your accent is annoying. Then we back-fill those states with other states, congrats Puerto Rico, Guam and the Moon. It's win-win.

 

BTW, have been baptised as an Armenian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox & Maronite (Catholic) Christian...but consider myself an Arab American.

 

I think you're oversimplifying it. To support Israel under this plan you are taking away from someone else. To say the Palestinians have no right to that area is flawed. You can say I support a safe space for Israel, but that doesn't mean at any cost possible. I don't think you're being fair here, and the whole dichotomy that you're setting up here, of good vs. evil is also not fair either. I have no dog in this fight, and just want what's best for BOTH sides. We are all human, and no matter how much one side wants to dehumanize the other I won't fall for it.

 

I respect your opinion, but have a hard time believing you're being objective on this one. They, like the Israeli's don't want another home, they want their home. Israel also has a **** ton more money here man. A lot. I mean since WW2 Israel has seen $115 billion in aid from the US, compare that to the $4 billion Palestine has gotten. The US also spends a ton more in military arming of Israel, with almost nothing to Palestine.

Again, this is like Pakistan and India. It's a separation along state and religious lines, which in turn produces a hard fought conflict. If Israel truly wants peace, they along with Palestine need to invite one and another into each other's homes. No matter what you say, I haven't had a strong sense of that being a true approach by either side. I think a lot of countries are pouring money and resources into both sides, but peace isn't up to them. It's up to the Israeli's and Palestinians and to be frank, I haven't seen a strong commitment from either toward it.

 

Gotta like the fact that a country like China - which has no legitimate claim to Xinjiang, Tibet, South China Sea, or Taiwan - condemns the US for moving its Israel embassy to Israel's capital (which was partly acquired through SELF-DEFENSE).