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Tyler Ervin - Texans 4th round pick, 119th overall

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 30, 2016.

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Do you agree with this pick?

Poll closed Sep 1, 2016.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

    32.4%
  1. BoneYardDog

    BoneYardDog Contributing Member

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    Yes this was a sexy draft and a total overhaul of the offense. This team now has the opportunity to be the best offensive team in Texans history and top 10 will depend on OLine and Os.

    He has the weapons for sure.
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    2 running backs had been drafted. There were plenty of legit 3 down running backs on the board. To say they couldn't have addressed depth is just wrong.

    First 3rd down back taken in 2015 - Duke Johnson
    First 3rd down back taken in 2014 - Bishop Sankey

    Realistically you should expect 7 or 8 carries a game at between 3 and 4 yards per, and 3 or 4 receptions a game for less than ten per. That is what the best 3rd down back has pulled as a rookie in in the last two drafts. Also, both of those guys were drafted in earlier rounds, probably because they had some

    Read what Indy pundits were saying about speed last year when they took Phillip Dorsett and how sure they all were that it was going to be awesome in destroying all the competition in their division. Sounds remarkably like what people are saying here. Was it a good move for Indy to skip offensive line depth in order to add a luxury burner? The 4 linemen that they drafted this year says to me that they might do it differently if they had a redo.

    It may work out here, but things have to go according to plan, such as no injuries for Miller. I've always worked under the truism, "Hope for the best, plan for the worst" which is why I'm apparently a bit more nervous than most of you.

    Texans plan has a remarkable upside if everything goes according to plan. I will absolutely concede that. I think most of you are ignoring any but the most rosy outcomes, which IMO is foolish in any evaluation in any aspect of life.

    Also, I'm a little wary of these "theme" drafts after the way "bigger and tougher" worked out in O'Brien's first year.

    Again, it could work out great. I just think those of you who are acting like its a done deal and we should just go ahead and put the entire Texans' offense on the all pro roster are foolish. I have no idea how people can be so sure its going to be so perfect.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    So which direction are you suggesting they should have gone?
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    Make sure that you have someone who can play well on 1st and 2nd, as well as 3rd down before getting a 3rd down specialist.

    You can't ramp Ervin up to 1st and 2nd down work if Miller gets hurt. He can't break arm tackles from FSB players, much less NFL players, and he doesn't have the mass to pass block. You're going to be stuck running Blue out there for the majority of snaps again. But you'll have a nice 3rd down gadget guy!

    If Miller plays as much and as well as you hope, it's moot, but I think betting on that is foolish. Things never work out according to the best case scenario in life. If they did, you could just trim the rosters to something like 30 guys and call it a day.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    Yeah, it's just a weird pick at that point in the draft and considering our roster
     
  6. Bobbythegreat

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    You have Miller as your every down back, you can't be picking people assuming guys you have will go down or you'd be drafting a QB and WR in the first and second round literally every year.

    Also, the Texans drafted Ervin more for what he brings as a returner than what he brings as a RB. He could add something as a RB and that would just be a bonus.
     
  7. conquistador#11

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    this is the one pick I didn't like. I thought Hunt was explosive. would have had the td run of the year if not for a holding call.
     
  8. RasaqBoi

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    Bad job by the Texans. #23 shouldn't be given to anyone else. #80 / #23 should be retired.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jersey #'s for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> Day 3 picks:<br><br>23 Tyler Ervin<br>36 K.J. Dillon<br>98 D.J. Reader</p>&mdash; Drew Dougherty (@DoughertyDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DoughertyDrew/status/727111965999394816">May 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  9. Bobbythegreat

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    So you think that one great, and 3 more good seasons is all it takes to get your number retired by the Texans? By that logic, Matt Schaub's number should be retired too.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    Foster had a 4-5 year stretch that was very Terrell Davis/Earl Campbell-esqe.

    I could see an argument for it, or against it.
     
  11. Creepy Crawl

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    Really? I can see Andre's number being retired, but not Foster. Foster was good but, not 10 + years of good.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't think there's any argument about Andre Johnson's number being retired, I think that absolutely should happen, but not Foster's. I think the bar needs to be higher for a number to get retired.
     
  13. Hey Now!

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    No way his number should be retired - but you're severely underrating Foster's career. He totaled 8,000 (exactly) yards, averaged 4.5 YPA and scored 62 TDs in a five-year stretch that included him missing 11 full games. Between '10 and '12, he totaled 5,700 yards with 47 TDs.

    When healthy, he was - for that five-year stretch - arguably the best RB in football and, historically, one of the best RBs ever.
     
  14. vinsensual

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    I don't think Foster makes the cut either, but that's just another short end of the stick for comparing runningbacks to any other position. Even AP's only had 7x 1000 yard seasons.

    The only current RBs I think should have their jersey retired is AP and probably Lynch. I don't know how beloved Forte is/was in Chicago, but he's the only other guy as far as career longevity is concerned.
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    The problem with the "when healthy" tag is that he wasn't healthy often enough. Sure when healthy he was one of the best RB's in the game, but when you are only healthy for 2 full seasons in your entire career it diminishes what you accomplished.

    If the Texans got 6 healthy seasons from Foster then sure you're thinking about retiring that number, and he's thinking about Canton one day. Unfortunately, that's not what happened.
     
  16. donkeypunch

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    Definitely on the fence about retiring Arians number, Id be okay with either. One thing is for sure though - he was the single most dynamic player this franchise has/will ever see.

    It is definitely a bad look to give his number away not even a year removed. Shouldve gave it a little time and then released it again. Gonna miss the namastes.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    JJ Watt and Nuk Hopkins laugh at you.
     
  18. DonnyMost

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    He said dynamic.

    I assume by that he means multi-faceted.

    If so, he's probably correct. Arian had a skill set that was one of the most well-rounded in football.

    He was a serviceable, if not resourceful, blocker. He caught the ball with grace and efficiency. He was careful with the ball and, after his first year, rarely fumbled. His running style was patient, smooth, and methodical but he could hit an elite gear in the open field.

    Football has a lot of specific, skill-driven positions that don't allow for dynamism to show through. WR and DE are probably a few of those positions. But Hop isn't known as an elite blocker, nor does he return punts/kicks. JJ is god-tier as a DL, but it's not like we see him covering RBs and TEs. He caught a touchdown or two as a stand-in TE, so that's something.

    So, really, I don't understand why you would feel the need to mock someone over saying Arian was our most dynamic player. Even if you think JJ is more, or as, dynamic. Unless you're just trying to be a douche.
     
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  19. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Not arguing whether Foster's number should be retired, but comparatively, Schaub...

    1) didn't have any great seasons
    2) was never All-Pro
    3) had one of the worst (maybe the worst) stretches of QB-play that football has ever seen
    4) mostly sucked in big games
    5) was never considered top tier at his position

    Not to mention his 165+ yards/game in the postseason. Also 6 TDs in 4 total games.
     
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  20. Bobbythegreat

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    1) He actually did, even if you still can't see that for whatever reason...I mean he only led the league in passing, no big deal right?

    2) Okay.

    3)How do you think Arian would look if we kept him on after injury and past his prime?

    4)As opposed to not being there at all.

    5) Yeah, he really was.....even if we've forgotten about it now.
     

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