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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. jo mama

    jo mama Contributing Member

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    was your god trump also spewing propaganda when he praised their response and transparency?
     
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    Weren't you just complaining about the steps china did? Now you are saying china has some sort of advantage on what they could do?

    trump's "lockdown" wasn't really a lockdown as his "lockdown" had numerous loopholes and as a result at least 40,000 people from china came to America after his "lockdown."

    But the stronger and earlier steps that trump did not do were the bigger problem. While he was busy in February playing golf and attending campaign rallies he should have been taking the steps he took in March (and more). And he should have pressured states into taking a country-wide approach to social distancing. He should have been laser focused on increasing testing. He should have been leveraging everything in his presidential powers to increase the availability of masks, shields, ventilators, gowns, swabs, test kits, and other needed medical supplies.
     
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    False Choice.

    South Korea is not a dictatorial police state but still had a unified government approach that had clear messaging, no partisan disinformation, and its citizens got serious quick.

    Had Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, FoxNews, and CNN all been saying the same thing that this is serious and here are the guidelines, and here is the process to follow this would have been a completely different story. You don't have to lock Americans in their homes to get them to take their health and safety serious.

    Go look at South Dakota... we are STILL disjointed, and we are STILL ripe with disinformation, snake oil miracle drugs, and playing the blame game. Go look at California and Washington. Do you see people from Cali complaining about a police state? If we had what California has done nation wide would anyone feel like we live in Communist China?
     
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  4. Andre0087

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    Why does he need to have his name put on it? Is there anything you can seriously say that would justify such an action?
     
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    What's even better is that he is not legally allowed to sign Federal checks...so it's being printed on the "memo" line.
     
  6. Amiga

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    China did take extraordinary measure. They did sequenced it and shared it very fast.

    So WHO was echoing China's propaganda with the above? You know Trump was also very complimentary (talking about China being very strong, sharp, powerful, handling it really well, transparent). Was he echoing China's propaganda?
     
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    “Donald Trump is further delaying cash payments to millions of Americans struggling to pay the rent and put food on the table to feed his ego,” Mr. Wyden said. “Only this president would try to make a pandemic and economic catastrophe all about him.”
     
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  8. NewRoxFan

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    Great point.

    Its also the first time in history a president (or more precisely, a needy president hoping to get re-elected) has every had his name on an IRS check. Since in the past, there was an ethical decision to avoid politicizing the distribution. Just let that sink in.

    With all the right wing's effort to falsely label "Obama phones" they now support the trump politicizing the delivery of checks from the IRS to US citizens.
     
  9. durvasa

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    We should have done more, earlier. I also think we can find fault with China in allowing this problem to emerge in the first place, and at the same time commend them (or anyone else) for the taking difficult measures to prevent the spread from being much worse than it could have been.
     
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    Are these "multiple places" just quoting White House sources?

    In any case, delays or not, it's not appropriate to use the memo line of stimulus checks as a way to promote his own reelection campaign.
     
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  11. Nook

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    If we are going to play the blame game, there is plenty to go around between China, WHO and President Trump.

    China knew they had a problem since September but were more concerned with saving face.

    In an effort to get information the WHO worked with the CCP and trusted them when they should not have.

    The President had intelligence all the way back to October that there were outbreaks in China. He continued receiving information in the months ahead and ignored it. He received multiple memoranda that the US was facing a massive pandemic from people within his own cabinet and did nothing for months. When he finally spoke on it, he purposely underplayed the severity. So either the President naively trusted a nation knob for lying (China) and isn’t fit to lead or he simply did not properly listen to the threat and should face criticism for it and political repercussions.

    Blaming a rogue nation or organization doesn’t diminish the Presidents culpability.
     
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  12. Amiga

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    I learn about "Trump speed" the other day. It's doing thing his way and at hyper speed.

    "Trump speed" in this case means that the team has to focus on Trump ego, unnecessary. Maybe they pull it off and get it down without delay, but even so, it's just another example of his ego / politic getting in the way, introducing new unnecessary requirements causing new work and risk for the benefit of Trump. Trump first >>> American first.
     
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    Nope it is silly. I have issues with the while stimulus situation tbh
     
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  15. Nook

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    This is an excellent point.

    Some seem to think that the USA is supposed to not monetarily contribute and supposed to take a step back (or more) and some how still have the same global influence and that simply isn’t realistic or possible.

    Also many of those same people dislike CCP influence in the world expanding and believe politically and from the perspective of values, they are morally corrupt. Yet they fail to see that taking a step back allows and encourages China to take a larger global influence, and encourages other nations to look to China for leadership.
     
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    yeah, we need a world that nations are looking to Trump for leadership.
     
  17. Nook

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    Yet again we are not going to listen to the experts on a topic?

    When you are having mechanical problems with your car, are you going to listen to a mechanic or a gynecologist?
     
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    Every post about China or the WHO here is the product of Trump's wish that you forget the 20% unemployment and thousands and thousands dead that is his legacy due to his personal failure to recognize the threat of a global Pandemic.

    We will not forget. At least, those of us who are not dead.

    Are you better off than you were 4 years ago? What are "phrases banned from the 2020 Republican National Convention under penalty of torture, Alex"
     
  19. ROXTXIA

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    But.....but, her emails!

    What the hell is wrong with you?
     
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  20. Nook

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    It isn’t about Trump, he will be President for a short period of time. It is a philosophical question Americans need to ask themselves, do they want to cede influence to the CCP. The USA certainly has the money and technology and workforce to not do so... and if that is what the USA wants to do, then they cannot complain when the CCP starts doing the horrendous things the world knows they will do. The CCP had no issues turning their own citizens into pate and then pushing them into street gutters... they would do the same at the global level.
     
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