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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. larsv8

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    You are a ****ing idiot, simple as that.

    He is making things worse for everyone to try and leverage his own god damn party to do something.

    There is not a worse approach to this. This is literally the worst thing that can be done here.
     
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  2. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    He is a hostage type of nut. Reward that and he will continue the same behavior in worse and worse way. So nay. GOP played with fire and now it will burn. Let it burn. Sorry, but election do have consequences and the nation need to suffer to correct her mistake.
     
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    Trumpcare will cost the gov't $200 billion more than Obamacare (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...macare-killer-will-cost-uncle-sam-194-billion)

    But after his decision results in 1,000's of deaths after the collapse of insurance for millions he will force the Republicans to do what Obama and Dems failed for 25 years to do:

    A single payer system.
     
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    And what pray tell is this solution that’s somehow cheaper and increases coverage? The solution that the GOP has had 7 years to work on? Should be a dandy since it’s so obvious the flaws in Obamacare.

    Most Trump voters I’ve spoken too said they voted for Trump because they wanted change and thought Hillary was more of the same. People always b**** and moan that the current whatever sucks and needs to be changed but when it comes down to the necessary change they don’t want that either. In America there has been a habit of everyone recognizing what’s wrong but taking decades to truly take the steps to fix it. Instead we move like slugs and try and make bad compromises. Obamacare was a bad compromise because while it addressed the inherent farce that is health insurance it didn’t take the necessary step of going single payer and actually fixing the problem.

    But that’s what we do in America. We don’t fix our problems instead we are dragged kicking and screaming towards the solution that becomes embarrassingly obvious once it’s finally implemented.

    Think of civil rights. Instead of fixing the problem garbage like separate but equal facilities is rolled out until after years of fighting laws are put in place that we all think are duh now. Labor laws, women’s suffrage, on and on and on. So much concern to try and appease the dumbest among us who cry socialism or communism or Don’t Tread on Me when all the government is trying to do is give them more rights, services, and protection.

    The GOP has no solution because anything other than a single payer system does not work. You can crunch numbers, make projections, promise, lie, bullshit, whatever but a for profit healthcare system with an insurance middleman will never work because of the inherent flaws in using a standard insurance concept and applying it to healthcare. You cannot give people unlimited access to free healthcare (EMTALA) and then not require the people in the pool (everyone) to have insurance. You can’t control the costs because you cannot use higher costs to control bad behavior like with car insurance where tickets and accidents lead to higher premiums. With health insurance bad health isn’t always your fault. And everyone has to use the services eventually. No one is truly a safe driver when it comes to healthcare. Conceptually denying care for pre existing conditions is standard in insurance. You don’t offer a fire policy for a house on fire. But somehow we want to play by some of the rules that makes insurance work and not others and then wonder why the heck it’s all falling apart.

    Obamacare was a mistake because it tried to fix the system and make the rules under an insurance model work. (Mandate) The only real solution is to scrap a system that can never work and implement one that does. Which is why for the millionth time we are the only industrialized nation not to have a single payer system because the rest of the world figured all this out decades ago.
     
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    senile, he is
     
  10. No Worries

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    We will call it now ... TrumpCare.

    One would think that Trump would at least get the Trump branding right.

    If the Democrats had an ounce of sense in their heads, they will no longer call the ACA ObamaCare but TrumpCare. Make Trump and his brand own it.
     
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    Trump appears to be good with that. The reluctance on the part of the Democrats to ditch the ACA/Obamacare branding and start calling it Trumpcare is almost certainly because they are concerned that he might just make a success out of this. If the Democrats were confident that Trump would fail, they would be on this new "Trumpcare" political branding like "white on rice," just as the Republicans were with the Obamacare label once they saw what a debacle that was going to be. But the Democrats do not appear to be as confident that Trump would fail here as the Republicans were that Obama would fail, as he surely did.
     
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    Right because there is still a high probability that all Trump will do is sign the bi-partisan bill that will shore up the marketplace. They don't want to let him take credit for that.
     
  13. larsv8

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    Trump appears to be okay with pretty much anything. He has a great advantage in that his supporters are dumb as ****.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    This is the opportunity for Trump to get on a solution that most likely can work and have widespread support, maybe not the GOP but in the country overall. If Trump throws his support behind this bipartisan effort the chances of it passing are going to be much higher.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...in-hours-of-its-release/ar-AAtEBE2?li=BBnb7Kz
     
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  15. JuanValdez

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    Trump reversed himself later on Obamacare being dead. I suppose some aide told him what a stupid PR move it was to take credit for a healthcare structure he is actively trying to sabotage.
     
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    He just indicated no support. With that, plus the House position, it's pretty much dead. Showed again that he only want to destroy Obamacare and doesn't care about how it impact people.

    GOP voted in folks to repeal Obamacare. They effectively got their wish, even though they as a whole changed their mind after the election.
     
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    I am not sure why people keep saying this is the worst thing Trump could have done. We went into this election expecting a Repeal and Replace... which basically amounts to repeal only. Repeal and Replace would have been a disaster as its clear politicians are only pontificating and would never pass any meaningful reform. Obamacare was built to fail and Trump is only kicking the legs out from underneath it.
     
  18. larsv8

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    Well most people's goal is to have a more affordable health care plan without exploding government spending.

    If that isn't your goal, and you have more republican sort of stance, I can see why it would be confusing to you.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    This idea that the ACA was built to fail is spin from opponents. Nobody claimed it was perfect nor the end all of the health care reform. It is meant to be a step but certainly not built to fail.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    This is the chance for Trump to show that he is a different type of Republican in more than just tweeting and protectionism. He already has pissed off much of the Republican establishment and has shown he is willing to work with Democrats. This is a great opportunity for him to show some real broad based leadership that he claims to want to do.
     

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