Trump Excuses the White Working Class From the Politics of Personal Responsibility

Not enough time to dig in indepth now...but just wanted to say Very Good Topic, Invisible! Lots to digest and discuss, and put forward in a way that people can respond to objectively, regardless of where they stand politically. Good Job!

 

The US has made bad trade deals which made manufacture profitable somewhere else. Migrants have depressed wages in the remaining jobs in the US.

 

Why wouldn't anti-illegal immigration work? You cut supply, you increase the value of the worker. Trade deals have been lopsided in favor of access to cheap labor abroad. Why wouldn't lowering corporate tax to make America more attractive to companies work? Taxation works best when everyone contributes, not just the rich.

 

Migrants been depressing American wages since slavery started, fool. What do you think slave labor did to wages? And where did slaves come from?

Agreed corporations should be punished for outsourcing jobs overseas, locating their HQ in the Cayman Islands, etc.

 

Be interesting to see if Trump's populism prevails over more conservative orthodoxy in the GOP controlled congress.

 

America was building up then you moron. The economic situation was different.

 

So? Migrants are a constant in this great nation.

America's not building up now, "you moron"? I wanted to MAGA so bad

SAD

 

I did not say ALL. You did. Thrice!

I think you wondered off the reservation. I've no idea what you are talking about wrt trade agreements.

Conservative doctrine dictates that people should take personal responsibility and not ask for government handouts. Trump told a bunch of out of work coal miners, factory workers, etc that he would get their jobs back. A standard issue Republican would tells the same people to take personal responsibility and get another's job, retraining on their own dime if necessary.

God only knows how Trump is to deliver on his promise.

 

So migrants have a different effect to a nation just building up, needed SETTLERS and cheap farm workers than a developed one with a working class, big agro, and established culture. Liberals are the ones who want to forego tradition when it no longer works but apparently migration is an untouchable subject.

 

Migration is not a tradition. Making Easter eggs is a tradition.

 

Trump saw Sarah Palin and thought, "Shite mofo, I can be president!"

 

People at Carrier are getting their jobs back - maybe that's what you meant by Trump supporters being unemployed. But how is that welfare when these people will be working? How exactly is amending a trade deal akin to welfare?

 

You do not understand welfare.

BTW Carrier had announced that 2000 jobs would be shipped to Mexico and now have chopped that number in half. Hat tip to Trump (or should that be a half-of-hat tip to Trump). I guess that the 1000, that will lose their jobs, will now have to take personal responsibility for their job situation.

I am eagerly waiting for Trump to bring back all of the manufacturer jobs lost to automation.

 

That argument contradicts itself since migrants working in the US are actually part of US work force. Leaving that aside though your argument that taxes and regulation are killing US jobs your solution is to basically press for more taxes and regulation on the economy (tariffs are taxes) . A contradiction that has been pointed out many times.

Further since you inherently acknowledge that foreigners can do US work cheaper than Americans how would you address making American work more competitive while also keeping cost down?

 

I am curious: why does the economic principal of supply and demand not apply to labor supply? If the supply of labor goes up, certainly the cost of such labor goes down.

 

How does the migrant argument contradict itself? More supply makes the current supply cheaper.

I think you're confusing different taxes. We keep tariffs for trade and we lower corporate taxes for companies that want to set-up shop in America.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. If you're talking about whether or not American labor can keep itself competitive with overseas labor, I think so. Worldwide, people still look for American labels as a sign of quality. The American workforce is also pretty highly educated, comparatively. And if you're looking to sell your products in N or S America, then you get a geographic advantage.

Yes, migrants can produce American quality of work when they're here but you simply can't transplant an American plant to another country without affecting the quality of work. We've seen that in Mexico and China. The city where they build it has a massive influence on the work culture.

 

Yeah, rigging the tax code so billionaires legally pay at a lower rate than the poor little Dei's of the world is just the way it has to be.

 

Yeah, let's blame the businessmen rather than the politicians who make the laws. We give tax breaks to businesses who are under financial difficulties to keep them from going under and hundreds of people losing their jobs, btw.

 

If we don't keep the rich people happy, they will do mean things to us.

 

We can agree that we should blame the politicians who make the tax laws.

However, we should also blame the very wealthy who control them and the dupes who support the ideology of trickle down.