Trump already saving American jobs - Carrier to keep jobs in the US

Are Democrats now factory workers keeping their jobs?

Tax incentives have been around since...taxes. Everyone uses them...Dem or Republican. It isn't 'welfare', it is incentive. States do it to keep jobs and industry there...which brings more money into the state. Sound business decisions aren't 'welfare'.

 

Why would Republicans be upset exactly?

 

Trumpanzees... redefining English in a bigly way since 2016.


cor·po·rate wel·fare
noun

1. government support or subsidy of private business, such as by tax incentives.

 

Free market advocates don't like the government picking winners and losers. basic crony capitalism. This looks like the case for Carrier.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/29/news/economy/trump-carrier-deal/index.html?adkey=bn

 

We should just eliminate corporate taxes all together and pay for it by stop giving people a free education.

It's time we embrace this countries downfall

 

In the end it doesn't matter, Trump and disciples will just point and say "scoreboard, brah". We would do the same in defending HRC if the tables were turned.

Am I happy that these workers keep their jobs and livelihoods? Absolutely.

Am I tired of the braggert-elect strutting like an orange peacock while tax incentives further enrich a company that already makes 5.6 billion off of government contracts? Absolutely.

 

We are already living in the new Trump propoganda era where he's going to write his own narrative of his reign, and how great it has been.

Let me get this straight though.... I'm happy for the 1,000 workers that potentially got their jobs saved. Good for them, and in the end good for Pence/Trump for saving them.

However.... we need to wait, and see exactly what the deal was that they struck. Subsidies, or promising to overturn EPA regulations etc. are things that could have a ripple effect. Also, as previously noted, this could give CEO's the thought process now to work directly with Trump to formulate a message about keeping jobs in the US, while Trump & co. give them the world to help enrich themselves all the while they never truly intended on sending those jobs overseas or to Mexico in the first place.

Allowing wall street & large enterprise executives to run wild for 4 years could lead us into another recession easily. I would urge everyone here to be careful with early judgments on "WINS" like this for the Trump campaign, and look into the detail like the details that show time and time again (Trump foundation, Trump University, etc. etc.) that the guy is a con artist and a media manipulator.

Everything he does should be questioned for intent. The intent here is more likely to tell everyone "We got a win for the working class" than it is to actually get a win for the working class long term. Just like how companies often spend more on marketing telling the public of their work in the community than they actually spent on their work in the community.

 

You can save one carrier, but can you save 100 or 1000 carriers? If government incentives can bring back manufacturing jobs, it would have been done long time ago.

 

Certainly good news for the workers. As others have said will have to see more details but my guess is that the deal will largely follow previous offers made by the local state and city government that probably include various tax and regulatory breaks. Trump might've waived the stick regarding UTX government business. Given how much Carrier had been in the news when they first announced the move this is certainly a big symbolic victory for the incoming Admin.

 

Trump earlier had received some kind of commitment from Ford that they would not be moving certain jobs to Mexico. I mean wow. Trump is such a xenohomophobonaziracoginist.

 

Ford did say they extended an olive branch to Trump but they also said that under their UAW contract they couldn't close plants so this really wasn't more than a rhetorical gesture.
http://fortune.com/2016/11/17/donald-trump-ford-factory-mexico/
"Ford F 0.42% has repeatedly said it has no plans to close any U.S. plants and likely could not do so under the terms of the current United Auto Workers contract that expires in 2019.
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In September, Ford confirmed that all of the company’s small-car production will leave U.S. plants and head to lower-cost Mexico by 2019, but no plants would be closed as a result."

Anyway what does that have to be with Trump being xenohomophobonaziracoginist? It doesn't seem like the two are mutually exclusive.

 

Too bad what a shame

 

Tax breaks instead of penalties to 'encourage' corporations to move their factories to the states has literally zero foresight. What do you think is going happen?

One thing we know about corporations - they will always find ways to maximize profit. And unless there are severe penalties for moving jobs offshore, they will eventually. Tax breaks simply just add to their profit margin. They receive their added revenue, appease the administration for a couple of years and move their factories back overseas and spend that nice additional sweet revenue on automation r&d and the American tax payer sits on their ass watching their tax revenue being spent to fatten the wallets of corporate execs instead of being spent on infrastructure and public services.

 

Trump is taking credit for something he had nothing to do with, but nice spin move their to contribute to the Trumpoganda machine. Let's please try and have intelligent and objective conversations about this stuff please?

And the above poster is right... the the two aren't mutually exclusive (saving jobs and being a xeno...whatever). Just two days ago, Trump preached & politicized completely false claims that originated from a guy that was cited on INFOWARS of all places... Think about that for a minute. The President elect was referring to a claim made on a conspiracy theory website who got that info from some random joe blow on Twitter who has since deleted the Tweet in reference....

... So yeah, Trump is still being Trump and that's a totally separate conversation/argument about his ability to be the Leaders of the Free World apart from what he does to save a few jobs here and there that we have yet to have the full story on.

I say let's discuss each item as it happens please so we can avoid the back and forth, and over the next year or so get a good idea about what kind of president he is and will be for the duration of his term.

 

As they are wont to do.

 

Pence probably has had this deal in his pocket for the last year or so. Any bets?

 

those penalties don't have to be legal. If you move your company to some shithole in Central America or Mexico then you are gonna have to pay your employees more for the same quality of work. Nobody wants to live in those places over the US.