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True Shooting Percentages of Most Used Players in the League

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RedRedemption, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. hardenisaboss

    hardenisaboss Member

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    this is a nice graph but imo the correlation line should be removed

    lol at Carmelo and Westbrook.

    it's amazing how Westbrook and Kobe have higher usage rates than Harden even though their teams had other good players
     
  2. studogg

    studogg Contributing Member

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    agreed - unless you are plotting the same players performance in a given season - it's essentially useless. i.e. harden's tsp at various usage rates during the season
     
  3. FatChad

    FatChad Rookie

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    Kyrie Irving is badass. That's his second year in the league after half a season at duke...
     
  4. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    who's that [player not named Harden] Only Fan who keeps on comparing Ellis to Harden in the other thread?
     
  5. Alvin Choo

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    hahaha, correlation to Kobe....
     
  6. tehG l i d e

    tehG l i d e Member

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    It's nice to see Harden up there. The real question is does usage rate take into account turnovers (which he led the league in) and FT attempts (which he led the league in). The FT attempts already do account positively on the TS% axis.
     
  7. Voice of Aus

    Voice of Aus Contributing Member

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    so griffen is rated better than dirk, LMA and big AL

    seems legit
     
  8. TheFreak

    TheFreak Contributing Member

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    Why wouldn't he be rated better than LMA? He gets a ton of dunks, while LMA shoots 15-18 footers all day. Also Dirk's team was terrible, and he's been injured/old/out of shape. Jefferson just isn't very good, not sure why he was mentioned.
     
  9. TheFreak

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    Not really, since his main value is defense, and he didn't have any other good offensive players on his team to get him good shots.
     
  10. ArtisGilmore

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    Here's the usage rate formula:

    100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV))

    Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

    Turnovers and FT's are counted. Assists are not, and I think there's a decent case to not count them, because then you double-count the possession with two players getting credit for it.
     
  11. jtr

    jtr Contributing Member

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    It is a simple best fit line. Available in Excel and any other chart drawing program. What you are seeing is the skewing influence of KD and LBJ.
     
  12. ffrigger

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    Thanks for the formula. Minutes played adjusted, didnt knew that but clever and necessary. Now i understand why Thunder and Heat can have two players with about 30% usage rate
     
  13. Voice of Aus

    Voice of Aus Contributing Member

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    KD and Lebron may not make the data being skewed because they should be counted as outliers to the data... much like monta is haha
     
  14. jtr

    jtr Contributing Member

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    That is NOT how best fit works. But a best fit line on that graph makes absolutely no sense. It adds absolutely nothing.
     
  15. GoRox2013

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    Well, to Kobe's defense he doesn't have a bonified playmaker playing beside him like Lebron. Thats why his usage his usage is high. With Nash healthy it should go down
     
  16. TheFreak

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    Doubt it. Nash is relegated to a spot up shooter playing with KB.
     
  17. DOLPHIN2k2

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    Wow, this chart shows Curry is much better than Harden
     
  18. seahawk

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    It's ridiculous if Wall will get max. High usage% Low ts%.
    Lin was not even on this chart because his usage% is 20.8% who ranks 23rd among all 30 current starting point guards and ts% is 53.7%.

    Harden, Curry and Parker are amazingly good.
     
  19. Voice of Aus

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    Is it if "Outlier A" is 2 or more standard deviation points away from the LOBF then its not included or should not be accounted for?

    correct me if im wrong, but thats what i remember from school
     
  20. WinkFan

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    What? Harden has a higher TS% and higher usage.
     

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