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Trading Lin is better for the Rockets and Lin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by catch22, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. IronicMan

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    Why should the team look for a good return when all they did to acquire Lin is giving him an offer sheet? The Rockets should just get out of that contract if they still can without them packaging a pick in the trade.

    Having two ball handlers on the team will not help the team. There's data out there that supports it.
     
  2. New

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    Man do you just watch the box score? Does the concept of off ball moving and screening make any sense to you? Do you think basketball is just a bunch of people camping behind the arc and shoot? So any player who does not do that well sucks? I guess we do not need any coach then. it's weird when you sign someone for his ability to run p&r and then use him like a 3pt specialist, and say he sucks because he is not shooting the 3s well?

    Lin is not shooting well. However I do not see how this make him worth less than when he was signed. he was not expected to shoot well.
     
  3. King1

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    You can't be serious
     
  4. Jedster

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    Lin is the most criticized and defended player on this board. It goes both ways man.
     
  5. King1

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    His fans have everything to do with that. If he hadn't brought this legion of idiots with him it would be nowhere close to this.
     
  6. meh

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    Says the person who has been on this board for 3 months. Juwan Howard, T-MAC, Yao, Patterson, Aaron Brooks, JVG, Morey, Les Alexander, possibly any and every player/coach/GM/owner ever associated with the Rockets had been horribly bashed at one time or another.

    Lin certainly has volume due to the number of fans he has. But in terms of pure brutality? Lin has it easy compared to, say, Rafer Alston when he was bricking teardrops here.
     
  7. Falcao

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    Goes both ways here as well. There was already a legion of idiots here before Lin ever got here.
     
  8. Merovingian

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    Agreed, but imo the real main defect is the coaching team, hopefully the front office fixes this and will get a star scorer PF signed the sooner the better.
     
  9. w00t

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    He's already signed :p Now waiting in the "politically correct" line for his chance :)
     
  10. andersongo

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    The problem is not that Lin can't occasionally do the catch and shoot 3-pointer but that he is basically tasked to do mostly that. Lin still had to sometimes perform the role of spot-up shooter in NY, the difference being that this was not the only play in the playbook. From the few matches I watched during his time on the knicks, the guy's main strength was his ability to finish at the rim, pass the rock to his big man on the PNR and that move where he will use a high pick to burst inside, stop on a dime/step-back and pull up midrange (that shot was always money). I think that even if Lin were to be established as the primary ballhandler, it will still be a massive fail as the front court is far too weak and there is not enough off the ball movement. So, the rockets are indeed stuck with Hardenball for the short term, although it is a cr*p strategy that will ultimately hurt Harden's development as he is not being taught good fundamentals and is not expanding his repertoire of skills like adding countermoves and a post game(true superstars does not depend on charity for scoring, they are superstars because when the going gets tough and the referee swallow his whistle, no one is stopping them from making their shots and scoring). Ultimately the most important skill is elevating the play of your team mates and ISOing Harden won't do it.
    The Rockets need to ditch the lay-ups/3-pointers strategy and revert back to the tried and true fundamental plays: inside-out play with a front court that packs a punch, more PNR, always more PNR and more off the ball screens for shooters. Last time I checked, that's how the Roxs got two banners.
     
  11. flamingdts

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    Yes, but let's not all of a sudden assume that Lin has a massive legion of pure "hater" fans hanging around this board, that's a term fabricated by his fans who can't accept any form of criticism towards him.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Lin's pretty cheap for the next 1.5 years, if he's going to be traded I woudl guess it's to a team that needs cap room as an expiring in year 3.
     
  13. Roxnostalgia

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    Last time I checked the way the Rockets got 2 banners was having the Universe's most dominant center surrounded by deft 3 point shooters.
     
  14. andersongo

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    In today's NBA, who needs the Universe most dominant big man? In the age of small ball and crap centers, the team with a big man with good post skills and good perimeter players that can do a little of everything will dominate. Sound simple? Well, what team is constructed in this way (Fakers apart) in today's NBA? Exactly.

    Note: By post skills I mean the true post moves of old; today's centers are such fails for a number of reasons:

    (1) They don't know how to get position

    (2) Can't catch the ball

    (3) They are just not that "BIG" to begin with.
     
  15. LosPollosHermanos

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    ding ding ding.

    There is just no way to get around this fact: If you are a PG in the NBA you should be expected to shoot a decent clip on open 3s. You might not be very good at it, but that means you are subject to criticism to improve it. The fact that so many people don't realize that means they have never played basketball/never have been good at it and just live vicariously through Lin.

    Keep posting Patterned919, you are bound to get hate but as a real Lin you know what it takes for him to improve.
     
  16. imanshar

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    I am a LOF and I believe if lin be the 6th man he would be more effective. I don't understand why the coaches didn't figure this out yet. Players like Ginobli, j.r smith and Etc all come of the bench and have huge impact on the game. Atleast give it a try.
     
  17. Roxnostalgia

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    I see what you are saying and quite honestly read your previous post incorrectly (breaking it up wouldn't kill you;)).

    I agree that the day of the dominant big man has passed. My point was a mix of what I now understand your post to mean. Inside out is good. The championship Rockets facilitated their inside out through Dream.
    You did say we need to ditch layups. What do you mean by that? :confused:
     
  18. RiceRockets

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    And you would know this with your wealth of clutchfans experience since Nov12...
     
  19. andersongo

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    This is nothing but one way of playing basketball with the traditional big man in the post kicking it out to outside shooters (the way I learned to play basketball). It is questionable whether a real PG let alone the current golden age crop of PG is required in this set up. Another way is the way most teams actually play in the NBA: the PG initiating the PNR with a big man and then shooting off the dribble or passing to the roll man or driving to the rim to finish or dishing it out to the spot-up shooters - happens to be exactly how Lin and Harden likes to play. Two ball-handlers is one to many. Lin will have to be traded.
     
  20. Jedster

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    Well I know you're just replying cos nobody likes to be called an idiot. But seriously, use your ignore list function and you don't have to listen to the insults.
     

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