that's your words. my words are factual. This thread was created because the OP wanted to know what McGrady has ACTUALLY DONE besides what he had mentioned. Not "What if, or what would or what should or what could"
Point well taken. I agree with you. McGrady was indeed "a very good player". But a great player? NO freakin' way.
same could be said about Yao.... Fact is I don't think even Lebron could lead a bunch of scrubs to the WCF ECF yes but not WCF
those did not factor in that he came very close to the second round... it's not like his teams went 0-4 and 1-4 all the way and he was still a member of the team that went to the second round regardless that is a fact too .. talking about facts and talking about payment...Players like Rashard Lewis was paid the same and brought less, riding the coattails of Howard
I'm not denying any facts. None. He was a great player. I don't need to quantify it on a scale of 1-10 for you or wait for you to spend two hours formulating criteria that separate McGrady from Kobe Bryant. The fact that we're even discussing this at this point is proof that the man has a legacy.. I don't care about this "you vs me" or "us vs. them stuff". Why are you trying so hard to label me? I am a Rockets fan. The team comes first, and I recognize that this man played his heart out to win. You're free to boo anyone who you think deserves it, but maybe try a little harder to be objective while you're at it.
Anyone that would imply McGrady was a scrub had their head up their ass!!!! He was no doubt a very good talent. Did a lot of things extremely well. Impressive stats don't mean jack!! Did Magic, Jordan, Bird, Hakeem, or any "great" player QUIT on their team in the middle of a game? The NBA isn't like the old MLB where only the division winners make the playoffs. Eight teams from each conference make it each yr. In a career that lasted 16 yrs he NEVER got out of the 1st rd. Allen Iverson took a team of Raja Bell, Matt Geiger, Tyrone Hill, Toni Kukoc, George Lynch, Todd macCuloch, Aaron McKie, Nazr Mohammed, Mutombo, Kevin Ollie, Theo Ratiff, and Eric Snow, not to the 2nd rd, but the NBA championship. Any other "great" or "all-star" players on that team? Great players don't pull the **** that McGrady did. It's NOT in their DNA. For a franchise that has had guys like Moses Malone and Hakeem.....guys who brought it every night, to call McGrady a great player as well is an INSULT to them. Look at the team that Malone brought to the finals while with the Rockets. Henderson, Leavel, Reid, Willoughby, Dunleavy, and Murphy at the end of his career. Did he have another great player on that team? Did he even have another all-star caliber player along side of him? McGrady fans.......QUIT TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE SOMETHING THAT HE NEVER WAS!!!!!! For those of you who defend him you are flat out clueless!!!!
you didn't answer my question if you were old enough to remember the early 90s matchup between the Rockets and the Bulls. Not age discriminating, but knowing a team based on watching them is a factor in discussion. Some 5 year old kid talking about Dr J and Kareem is probably not credible.
I agree ... most of the time and during playoffs he played his heart out but there were moments when he did coast and did not work out properly because the results were mediocre and expectations are high I still won't boo him because I felt most of the time he tried.
Oh didn't know you wanted to be that technical. Ok, Tracy McGrady never played a single second or millisecond of a 2nd round playoff game. That season where the Rockets defeated Portland and took the Lakers to 7 with team of guys with heart, McGrady played 35 total games. The NBA season is 82 games plus the playoffs. In the playoffs he played 0 seconds . He was the highest paid Rocket. Rk Player Salary 1 Tracy McGrady $20,370,437 2 Yao Ming $15,070,550 3 Metta World Peace $7,400,000 4 Shane Battier $6,448,900 5 Brian Cook $3,500,000 6 Luis Scola $3,100,667 7 Carl Landry $3,000,000 8 Jackie Butler $2,552,000 9 Luther Head $1,962,378 10 Brent Barry $1,910,000 11 Chuck Hayes $1,768,000 12 Justin Reed $1,573,000 13 Kyle Lowry $1,163,520 14 Aaron Brooks $1,045,560 15 Von Wafer $826,269 16 Joey Dorsey $816,500 17 Dikembe Mutombo $794,491 http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2009.html Is that better?
Pot, meet kettle. You have a very black and white way of thinking about this topic. Tracy either has to be a villain or a hero to you. Tracy is a grey area; again, the fact that we're arguing about this 2013 is proof that he is a tragic failure. He's Harvey Dent. He quit on the team, but one year doesn't tell his whole story. By attributing some GOOD attributes to McGrady, I am suddenly labeled as a TOF. Carry on...
Daywalker, and with your logic, Cushing was a member of a team that made it to the Divisional rd of the NFL playoffs? On the team? Yes. Contributor HELL NO!!!!!
Not really. That sort of money Les spent with a good conscience years ago. I did not say he had to play a minute of a second round playoff game.... he was still a member of that team.... playing or not playing.... He played in regular season thus making him a part of the team You still don't get it..... Regular season is still key to making the playoffs
I think the OP understands Harvey Dent, he just doesn't like the Penguins that follow up and prop him up to be greater than who he was, they are the Bane of Clutchfans.
For the record, TMac gets no credit for the Portland series from me. I'll be torn up for this, but he does get some positive credit for the Mavericks and Jazz series. He lost. I'm not denying anything. But he put up a helluva fight going down with that rickety old ship.... Luther Head 1-14 anyone? At one point his passing options were Mutombo, Head, Alston, Hayes, Bowen.. meh, we've had this conversation before.. It is what it is.
stop pretending you aren't a tracy fan. I know you are, you show to defend him like you are linsay lohan's lawyer. I don't get it? I saw Hakeem Olajuwon take the Rockets to 3 NBA Finals and win two championships. What you and your tracy mcgrady loving pals don't get is that he is not the equal of the greats who actually achieved glory for their teams. what you don't get is there's no exception for him. there's no asterisk . he's not anymore special than any other all star who has never won a playoff series. He doesn't deserve to be ever mentioned with Moses or Dream, ever.
does not matter because I am not a Tracy fan right now I am still a Yao fan, Rafer Fan, Battier fan. So what? I would still trade those for Shaq, Payton, and Horry if it meant that the team could get to the WCFs and I would trade Tracy for the right guy too
I won't tear you up for those loses, but it's disappointing because in Rockets game 7 history, legends step up and become legendary. The Jazz series we had home court. Everyone is to blame. No Howard Jones there. But it was JVG's faith in McGrady and Yao that doomed him. They weren't good enough, if they were, the Jazz would be easily defeated.
