That one confused me, too. But in the spirit of goodwill and cooperation, I let it slide. I see you're one of the problems, ima. Flame away. (do i need to post a smilie here, or did you all understand i was being sarcastic?)
jeff gave him the bait and he is eating it up.. same story as usual. It's funny reading this bbs has really only created a stronger opinion in my mind against the conservative wackos that have polluted this forum. They come on here trying to 'turn' people and in the end they simply end up isolating themselves publicly. It's been going on now for more than 10 years. It's like a stupid dog biting at shadows. game over thanks for ruining it wackos. Well I have to give it to the conservative wackos here I wouldn't know what yellow cake was if not for this for this forum.. well maybe that and that whole WMD fear factory that was on display here around 9/12/2001 - forward.. I also must give props to the conservative wackos here for helping to create the D&D, so it's only fitting that they take it away. He who giveth taketh away I suppose. I remember when the hangout was just the hangout and before that fateful 9/11 date. Good job conservative wackos. Good job. Good job laying the ground work for obama and getting him in with your stupidity. Good job reminding me what the word 'quagmire', 'no bid', 'WMD' (who? what?) all mean. Shut this down Jeff so we can put the final stamp on this era: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED CASE CLOSED
Very, very well said. I occasionally visit this folder, but for the most part have abandoned it after being active in it for a month or so. I think ChievousFTFace outlined the dynamic of how things go quite well, and for the most part, just about every thread turns into cyclical rantings by a few poorly informed users. The sad thing is that the well informed, articulate, and thoughtful voices in this folder routinely get drowned out. Especially problematic are those posters who virtually live in this folder. I'm genuinely puzzled by how frequently certain users post....how can they hold down a job? or go to school? Any user spending multiple hours a day in this folder should get banned for his/her own good. Beyond that, I'm not sure what you can do to engender an environment where this folder can be at least remotely constructive. Perhaps shutting it down for a little while wouldnt be such a bad thing....
People say offensive/stupid things on the internet? STOP THE PRESSES! P.S. - I have immense disdain for any censorship or threat thereof on the Internet.
I'll quote this post, but try to address all of yours and hope that it can lead to more civil debate or at least clear up confusion if there is truly confusion on your part and not just trying to misrepresent what others are trying to do. First of all Palin's poster was brought into it. Post 14 didn't slander Palin or even accuse her of being responsible, thought that may or may not have been the intent in post 14. Either way I think it is on topic because Representative Giffords herself brought up the poster as the kind of political rhetoric that should be toned down and might have consequences. It was something that concerned the primary target of the shooting. It may not concern you, and you may not find it objectionable in any way shape or form. If it doesn't concern you, that's up to you. You mentioned my posts about one side being worse than the other as somehow offensive to you. I'm sorry if you found it so. I was pointing out what I believe to be accurate. I gave specific examples of people from both sides that I believed were over the line. I further elaborated and said I believed the worst case scenarios of the dangerous of inflammatory rhetoric were. Those were from the extremists on the right wing. In all but one of DW's posts I didn't find anything close to that extreme from a politician. I invited then and invite you now to provide something from a politician on either side of the political spectrum and I will condemn it hardily if you do. The reason why I don't feel I'm particularly partisan in this issue is that when given evidence from either side I will condemn the extremist rhetoric for what it is. That is something you have yet to do. I also invite you and other people from the other side of the political spectrum to join me in condemning the extremist rhetoric and will happily join in you condemning rhetoric that comes from politicians who are usually on the same side of issues as I am. I have said before that I think reasonable people on both sides of the aisle should have no problem in condemning the extremism from both wings of political leanings. I have also said before that I didn't blame the shootings on the rhetoric from either side. You have repeatedly accused me of the opposite, provided no proof to back up your accusation, refused to apologize for your wrongful accusations, or even admit you were wrong. It doesn't really bother me if you do or don't. But it does shed light on your supposed portrayal that others are so unfair, offensive, hurtful, or out of line in the thread. You seem to either be confused about my intentions throughout, or to be ignoring them. I hope this clears it up. If nothing else, perhaps it will save the administrators some grief if you are one of the posters that felt the need to report.
But this is a private message board, so the owner of the message board and the people who help him can censor as much as they want...rightly so (not that they do it, fortunately...but if they wanted to, nobody would really have a right to complain, in my opinion).
I don't think the moderators care to get involved in the DD forum. There have been way too many posters who just resort to personal attacks and snide remarks and nothing is ever done. While there are some thought provoking posts most of the threads usually end up to liberals bashing conservatives, republicans bashing democrats and vice versa. No idea what went wrong on the other thread since I stopped reading after my post http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5870754&postcount=357 Life is too short to be spent responding or reading all this hate. I prefer to enjoy the sun outdoors (lucky me for being in San Diego) or to work on my projects and watch the Rockets win. For those that prefer to remain angry have fun arguing folks.
No, it isn't. Pointing out inflammatory rhetoric when asking rhetoric to be toned down, isn't the same as assigning blame for shootings. By that logic Giffords herself assigned blame before the shooting even began because she repeatedly asked for the rhetoric to be toned down. Why are you so defensive that you believe any mention of inflammatory rhetoric is the same as assigning blame?
??? sorry for missing your olive branch extensions. You act like I have some issue with you -- I don't. I merely pointed out in the other thread that you should try to keep things civil. ....and in this thread, which was meant to tone things down, many have decided to turn it into a complete turd-fest itself. Fabulous, brahs
Nazis = National Socialists = Socialists (says so right there in their name) = destroyers of capitalism and free markets = Marxists/Leninists = commies. Duh. Here's visual proof if you still happen to believe those worthless history books... Now pipe down or I shall make inappropriate remarks about The Police.
Point of parliamentary procedure! Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our bbs posting privledges - we did. But you can't hold a whole bbs responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole internet? And if the whole internet is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Jeff - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
I think it is more effective to outsiders when a political party affliation points at its own self-party first. . . Violence is violence, and supposed inflammation that doesn't help is certainly rhetoric whether it is hand-to hand combat from the left or supposed cross-hair symbols from the right. But I argued that the tone of rhetoric and hate towards the other is the true problem...It does not excuse one side of inflammatory rhetoric just because gun rights is not embraced as a general political platform. . . The 2nd admendment is a very cherished right to many conservatives...Many liberals would be okay with the taking away and/or infringement of this right granted to them as well, but that is never there decision or call to make and if it weren't for those who cherish this right, the attempt to do so would be obvious,...luckily, conservatives aren't "in the back of the bus" so much now as it stood with the mid-term results, and this seems to be problematic moreso now than a few months ago. . . .The founders of this country made it that way like it or not....Regardless, Obama was the one stating there would be justifiable hand-to hand combat if the House would go to the conservatives before all the conflict we have now reached a climax... My point is let's point fingers at our party first starting with the highest leadership, and critiquing their tone, and negative rhetoric... After doing so, it seems less of an agenda based critique and I would be more willing to meet in the middle. Having said that, I can't imagine losing such a beautiful little girl like that...I had to ask my wife yesterday to turn off the T.V., because I actually started to tear and felt emotional pain...( I have 2 daughters about her age) The congresswoman, relatively young herself at only 40...I really admired that act of being accesible for a meet session more than you all realize...Man, what each of their families is going through, we can't imagine...
You are correct. I see the error of my ways and I apologize for my use of excessive rhetoric that was wholly inappropriate to the tenor of the conversation in which we were engaged. It won't happen again unless you disparage chili.
