Time to replace Shane Battier in the starting rotation?

He's only the highest basketball IQ out there every night. Geez...what more do you want?

 

1. this thread is not discussing the relative contributions of brooks, miller, chuck or the cheerleaders.
2. specific mistakes, sure. According to popcorn machine stint 4, 0-2 FG, 2PF, 1 TO - what's not to like? He played 7:43 in the 4th.
3. I'm not arguing SB does not contribute merely that he has dropped to a point below starter caliber. A guy who takes few shots and misses 80% of those he does take causes defenses to focus on everyone else. He should be more of a situational player at this point at least for a while.

 

And Battier came off the bench in fourth to spark a run that others lost and eventually took the lead back. It was a critical moment and he put his team in a position to win.

 

honestly shane needs to GTFO.... hes not an elite defender anymore and cant score. let the gawd BUDINGER have all his minutes.

 

Uh, who the hell is talking about +/-. The kind of +/- you are talking about is more of a measure between a player and his backup. Nothing to do with winning.

And when Kobe broke Battier down for the and 1, there was plenty of time left. I'm pretty sure the win wasn't secured for them until the buzzer sounded. Not sure what you were watching.

 

relax everyone geez

if there's a deadline deal to be made Battier will be included no matter what

 

One or both of Lee and Budinger were on the floor when we had a stretch of not scoring between late 3rd and early 4th. Specifically, when Battier left the floor in late 3rd, the Rockets were up 82-71. When Battier re-entered the game in mid 4th, the Rockets were down 86-92. During that approximately 6 minute period, Lee was on the floor the entire time, and Budingerwas on the floor for about 4 minutes, the Rockets socred 4 points while allowing 21.

They were not exactly keeping things flowing.

You recall wrong. Kobe wasn't doing worse during the 2nd quarter when Lee was on him and Battier was sitting.

Also, to close out the game, during the last 6:43, Kobe was 1 for 3 from the floor, 3 for 3 from the line with 2 assists and 1 TO (and another one where he fumbled the ball but Paul managed to pick it up and score). Is that really "lighting up" in your world?

 

This is another argument that is really annoying. Oh well because our infinitely wiser coach and GM are infallible, any opinion that goes counter what they did MUST be wrong.

This is r****ded. Shane was terrible. Just because RA left him in there doesn't make him any less bad playing out there. Just becuase Morey traded Rudy Gay for him doesn't mean that wasn't a bad trade. Does that mean he will ALWAYS suck? No, but I would point to his even slower speed this year as a sign that it is quite possible.

It's time to move on, and it can either be slow and painful, or can be sped along for the betterment of the team.

 

Scapegoating appears to be a nessecary reaction for the weak minded.

 

would yall have been happier had this happened last year

we traded battier for(rudy) fernandez straight up, since i think they have enough cap. or something involving a pick if needed.

and we would have kept ariza instead and never got courtney lee, and other than that, everythign went the same?

would that have been a better move?

brooks/lowry
martin/fernandez
ariza/budinger
scola/hill/patterson
yao/miller/hayes

or our current one

brooks/lowry
martin/lee
battier/budinger
scola/hill/patterson
yao/miller/hayes

 

It was rhetorical question...i wasnt really asking you to discuss others, just pointing out how it doesnt make sense to discuss their weaknesses as the focal point.

Why would you classify missed shots as "mistakes"? Does that mean Kobe made over 10 of them?

Have you seen the replays and know for a fact he fouled both times and therefore true mistakes? Refs arent perfect....

 

Oh man you are so mistaken.

 

Right, because everyone who thinks Battier needs to replaced is just scapegoating him for the loss. It couldn't possibly be that his obviously terrible play, combined with his consistent decline, with a possible better option waiting in the wings have anything to do with it.

 

That one guy actually called me an elitist. Is that what you're called now when you are just anti-dumb?

Shane Battier played 31 minutes today. Not four years ago. Not two years ago. Today.

I don't know if he is half the player he once was. I don't know if he is 1/10 the player he once was. He didn't play 31 minutes today because he got out of bed and just felt like it.

He played that much because one of the best coaches in the league felt that it was necessary to play him that much, to try to win.

Now should I trust his opinion on this matter? Or should I listen to freakin' MORNINGWOOD on freakin' clutchfans?

YOU must not be getting the point.

 

battier is seriously the worse player in the history of modern basketball

 

So if a player gets played for 31 minutes "Today" and shoots 1-5 while getting burned consistently by a hobbled player, this is "good"?

 

Shane still needs to start. Or we can put on a offencive juggernaut bench of Lowry Lee Battier Hayes Miller. TELL ME HOW THAT LOOKS? It'll be lowry driving into the lane then passing to battier/hayes for the brick layup or passing it outside to Lee(Who is just a avarage shooter,his playstyle is more like fastbreak/slasher)who then starts dribbling the ***** out the shotclock to fire up a brick because no one else on the bench can hit a jumpshot without being open once he passes out. Yao also fouled OUT in 24 minutes of play(I know its quite questionable calls) but if you have AB Martin and Bud guarding the perimeter even if we had Deke and Hakeem they would foul out. Unless we get back Iggy or Gerald Wallace, Battier starts

 

WHAT PART OF WE BUILT A DOUBLE DIGIT LEAD WITH HIM ON THE FLOOR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

WHAT PART OF WE LOST A DOUBLE DIGIT LEAD WITH HIS REPLACEMENT ON THE FLOOR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

WHAT PART OF WE REGAINED THE LEAD WITH HIM ON THE FLOOR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

You aren't fuzzy at all.

 

This is not because of tonight, but Iggy anyone?