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This is how countries should deal with Religious radicals - HOORAY USA !

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  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Morman Wacko, Jeffs arrested

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    LAS VEGAS - The leader of a polygamist breakaway Mormon sect who was on the FBI’s Most Wanted List has been arrested and faces sexual misconduct charges for allegedly arranging marriages between underage girls and older men, authorities said Tuesday.

    Warren Steed Jeffs, 50, was taken into custody after he and two other people were pulled over late Monday by a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper on Interstate 15 just north of Las Vegas, FBI spokesman David Staretz said.

    The leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was wanted in Utah and Arizona on suspicion of sexual misconduct for allegedly arranging marriages between underage girls and older men.

    He assumed leadership of the sect in 2002 after the death of his 98-year-old father, Rulon Jeffs, who had 65 children by several women. Jeffs took nearly all his father’s widows as his own wives. He is said to have at least 40 wives and nearly 60 children.

    Since May, Jeffs has been on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list, with a $100,000 reward offered for information leading to his capture.

    Wife, brother also in car
    The other two people in the vehicle were identified as one of Warren Jeffs’ wives, Naomi Jeffs, and a brother, Isaac Steed Jeffs, both 32, Staretz said. They were being interviewed by the FBI in Las Vegas but were not arrested.

    Isaac Jeffs was driving a red Cadillac Escalade that was stopped for having no visible registration, said state Trooper Kevin Honea. An FBI agent was summoned to confirm Jeffs’ identity, Honea said.

    Warren Jeffs was in federal custody in Las Vegas awaiting a court hearing on a federal charge of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, Staretz said.

    FBI officials said at a press conference Tuesday that Jeffs was found with $54,000 in cash, numerous gift cards worth an additional $10,000, 15 cell phones, four portable radios, four laptop computers, a global positioining system device, a police scanner, several pairs of sunglasses and three wigs.

    ‘Beginning of the end’
    Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard told KTAR-AM of Phoenix that Jeffs’ arrest is “the beginning of the end of ... the tyrannical rule of a small group of people over the practically 10,000 followers of the FLDS sect.” He predicted that it will inspire more people to come forward with allegations of sexual abuse.

    Most of the church’s members live in Hildale, Utah, and nearby Colorado City, Ariz.

    Jeffs was indicted in June 2005 on an Arizona charge of arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a married man, and unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. He is charged in Utah with two felony counts of rape as an accomplice, for allegedly arranging the marriage of a teenage girl to an older man in Nevada.

    The FLDS Church split from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when the mainstream Mormon Church disavowed plural marriage more than 100 years ago.

    Allegations from within church
    Jeffs has been called a religious zealot and dangerous extremist by those familiar with his church.

    During his four-year rule, the number of underage marriages — some involving girls as young as 13 — escalated into the hundreds, church dissidents said. They said that although the sect has long practiced the custom of arranged marriages, young girls were rarely married off until Warren Jeffs came to power.

    People expelled from the community said young men were sent away to avoid competition for brides. Older men were cast out for alleged disobedience, and their wives and children were reassigned by Jeffs to new husbands and fathers, the former members said.

    “If this will bring an end to that, that will be a good thing,” said Ward Jeffs, an older half brother of Warren. “We’re excited for the people down there, but we’re very concerned about who might step up and take the leadership role.”

    It remained unclear Tuesday what would happen to the leadership of the church while Jeffs was incarcerated.

    Federal and state law enforcement agencies will determine whether Jeffs should be extradited first to Utah or Arizona, said Steve Sorenson, a federal prosecutor in Salt Lake City. Utah’s charges are more serious, and the federal unlawful flight charge was for leaving Utah, which could influence the decision, Sorenson said

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    Now if we can just get the Middle Eastern Muslim countries to weed out their wack jobs, this world can be a safer place.

    DD
     
  2. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    I would like to hear what proponents of gay marriage think about the issue of polygamy -- involving consenting adults, of course.
     
  3. NewYorker

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    I am actually ok with gay marriage....but I think polygomy is not necessary.

    Denying gay marriage is denying someone the right that other people have...but polygomy doesn't deny anyone a right that anyone else doesn't have.
     
  4. Saint Louis

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    I don't personally care if consenting adults are into a guy having more then one wife. The problem arises because since the guy is "technically" married to only one woman, all the other wives then claim welfare for all the children they create. Colorado City, AZ is a blackhole for these type of fund dollars.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    Technically Gay Marriage in Expansion of Rights

    Gay Men can Marry a woman
    Hetero Men can marry a woman

    Gay men Cannot marry a man
    Hetero Men cannot marry a man

    So Gay Marriage - would be expansion of the Right to Marry
    As of right now. . it is all equal
    Men can Marry Woman
    and
    Women can Marry men

    but
    Men cannot marry men [whether they gay or str8]
    women cannot marry woman [whether they gay or str8]


    Rocket River
     
  6. NewYorker

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    Well, except that a heterosexual man would never need to marry another man....

    and a gay man doesn't really want to marry a woman and vice versa or whatever.

    But, don't you think we all should have the choice to marry who we want to? Have that one person? So in that sense, it's not an expansion of rights. We'd only be giving a gay person the same right as a straight person - the choice to be with someone they are actually sexually attracted to.

    I think that's fair.
     
  7. XxShadyPinkxX

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    I completely agree with that. And with polygamy, what exactly is the argument against that? That it will promote promiscuity...within the marriage(s)? Err..don't really see a problem there. I think that if they did legalize it, it would allow police to focus on weirdo's like Jeffs that want to marry little girls, because from the article it says that that practice wasn't commonplace until he was the leader.
     
  8. robbie380

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    polygamy isn't an actual major mainstream is like gay marriage is. there aren't a ton of polygamists in america. there are a ton of gays in america. further, the problem with this cult is child molestation more than polygamy.
     
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    I disagree. Heterosexuals are allowed to marry the person they love, and would want to spend their life with. Homosexuals are prevented from doing this.

    Heterosexuals are allowed to have their loved ones receive benefits, visit them in ICU, etc. Homosexuals are not.

    The homosexuals are denied the rights that heterosexuals are granted. It isn't even close to being an extension of rights.

    When interracial marriage was outlawed both races were allowed to marry women of their own race so it could have been argued that allowing interracial marriage was not really granting equality, but an extension of rights.

    That to was wrong.
     
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    I don't really have a problem with polygamy if the laws are set up to provide that. It isn't for me, but if others want to do it, it won't bother me.

    Also for the record the man isn't a Mormon. The Church of LDS does not allow polygamy.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Did you guys see all the rules he put in place at his compound?

    No Internet
    No TV
    No Media of any kind
    No Color Red
    No laughter
    No books other than the Morman scripture (sounds like the Quran wackos).

    Man, I can not believe people are so gullible as to believe these crazy wackos.

    Same thing is going on in the Muslim world with the camps in Pakistan, and Iran etc.....

    People are being brainwashed in the name of religion......age of enlightenment my arse.

    DD
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Ok, execute him.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Come on now, he did not ban cartoons of the alleged prophet.

    ;)

    DD
     
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    I support gay marraige and I don't have any problem with polygamy between consenting adults.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Likewise.
     
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    Obviously not a Rocket fan...........
     
  17. Saint Louis

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    Obviously a bitter Jazz fan.
     
  18. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Ditto, as long as all involved parties are consenting.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    In general I agree with this, however the big problem is with Insurance companies.

    They would have to come up with a new category for Polygamists.

    If you have a family plan, it is not tailored towards 4 wives and 13 kids.

    My guess is that is where the biggest problem lies....when in doubt follow the money trail.

    DD
     
  20. giddyup

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    This was a problem long before there were health insurance plans. What year did Utah become a state?
     

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