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There's Really NOTHING WRONG with USING Performance Enhancing Drugs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SSP365, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. SSP365

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    Why is it ok to use PEDS in other aspects of life but why does it suddenly become some immoral repugnant act when athletes use it? Its ok to use be it in the bedroom, health, cosmetic reasons, but somehow the world goes up in arms when athletes use it. I just dont get it.

    Dont you want your athletes performance to be enhanced? Why would you be against another person taking a drug made by the ingenuity of man so he can perform at his job better? He's the one risking his life to put on a better show, why the fake outrage?

    Here's what people fail to realize, PEDS in a sports context is the equivalent of an Ace Card. You have one chance to play this Ace Card, and most if not all athletes play this Ace Card when they are at their absolute peak.

    If anything athletes that use are not doing it to compensate for a lack of something, but because their body can't keep up with their work ethic. There is a plateau that they simply cannot push through naturally.

    Most people who play their Ace Card too early, typically fail and never become anything or their athletic careers burn dry after a short period of time because they used PEDS when they hadn't even reached their peak yet. They have relied on PEDS to do most of, if not all the work.

    it's a shame that peds have gotten the rep they have. peds, when used correctly, could lengthen a lot of athletes careers, keep them healthier for longer, and reduce the number of injuries. Denying peds is the same as denying the evolution of humanity. You cant stop it. Its only a matter of time. It will also be accepted as the norm in the future as humanity becomes more evolved socially & intellectually & see that there is nothing wrong with enhancing your performance.


    Based on the american principals of capitalism, freedom, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness,

    ITS QUITE UNAMERICAN TO DENY PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS.
     
  2. CometsWin

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    Anabolic steroids

    Risks
    Many athletes take anabolic steroids at doses that are much higher than those prescribed for medical reasons, and most of what is known about the drugs' effects on athletes comes from observing users. It is impossible for researchers to design studies that would accurately test the effects of large doses of steroids on athletes, because giving participants such high doses would be unethical. This means that the effects of taking anabolic steroids at very high doses haven't been well studied.

    Anabolic steroids come with serious physical side effects as well.

    Men may develop:

    Prominent breasts
    Baldness
    Shrunken testicles
    Infertility
    Impotence
    Women may develop:

    A deeper voice
    An enlarged clitoris
    Increased body hair
    Baldness
    Infrequent or absent periods

    Both men and women might experience:

    Severe acne
    Increased risk of tendinitis and tendon rupture
    Liver abnormalities and tumors
    Increased low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (the "bad" cholesterol)
    Decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol)
    High blood pressure (hypertension)
    Heart and circulatory problems
    Prostate gland enlargement
    Aggressive behaviors, rage or violence
    Psychiatric disorders, such as depression
    Drug dependence
    Infections or diseases such as HIV or hepatitis if you're injecting the drugs
    Inhibited growth and development, and risk of future health problems in teenagers

    Taking anabolic-androgenic steroids to enhance athletic performance, besides being prohibited by most sports organizations, is illegal. In the past 20 years, more effective law enforcement in the United States has pushed much of the illegal steroid industry into the black market. This poses additional health risks because the drugs are either made in other countries and smuggled in or made in clandestine labs in the United States. Either way, they aren't subject to government safety standards and could be impure or mislabeled.

    Androstenedione

    What is it?
    Androstenedione (andro) is a hormone produced by the adrenal glands, ovaries and testes. It's a hormone that's normally converted to testosterone and estradiol in both men and women.

    Andro is available legally only in prescription form, and is a controlled substance. Manufacturers and bodybuilding magazines tout its ability to allow athletes to train harder and recover more quickly. However, its use as a performance-enhancing drug is illegal in the United States.

    Scientific studies that refute these claims show that supplemental androstenedione doesn't increase testosterone and that your muscles don't get stronger with andro use. In fact, almost all of the andro is rapidly converted to estrogen, the primary hormone in females.

    Risks
    Side effects of andro in men include:

    Acne
    Diminished sperm production
    Shrinking of the testicles
    Enlargement of the breasts
    In women, side effects include:

    Acne
    Masculinization, such as deepening of the voice and male-pattern baldness
    In both men and women, andro can decrease HDL cholesterol (the "good" cholesterol), which puts you at greater risk of heart attack and stroke.

    Human growth hormone

    What is it?
    Human growth hormone, also known as gonadotropin, is a hormone that has an anabolic effect. Athletes take it to improve muscle mass and performance. However, it hasn't been shown conclusively to improve either strength or endurance. It is available only by prescription and is administered by injection.

    Risks
    Adverse effects related to human growth hormone range in severity and may include:

    Joint pain
    Muscle weakness
    Fluid retention
    Carpal tunnel syndrome
    Impaired glucose regulation
    Cardiomyopathy
    High cholesterol (hyperlipidemia)
    Diabetes
    High blood pressure (hypertension)


    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/performance-enhancing-drugs/HQ01105
     
  3. SSP365

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    lol at you listing anabolic steroid side effects

    its 2013, not 1990 bro.

    There's inherent risk in every drug out there, food that you eat.

    How come we arent banning those?
     
  4. CometsWin

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    I believe you said there was really nothing wrong with using PED's. I just proved you wrong. /thread
     
  5. Panda23

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    yep lets just let a bunch of kiddy athletes start juicing up
     
  6. jbasket

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    Won thread, shut this downnnnnn!
     
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    Brah, I'm not going to read that, but baseball is boring enough with everyone shooting up steroids. Imagine how cringeworthy it would be without them.
     
  8. SSP365

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    this is a philosophical debate on the morality of ped use.

    Thread continues despite your feeble literal attempt to win the argument.
     
  9. SSP365

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    who said that?

    there would be an age requirement just like with alcohol.


    but i guess its ok to prescribe young children psychiatric drugs because they act up in school i mean they have "ADD" right?
     
  10. CometsWin

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    Since when were health consequences not philosophical or moral? Your reputation for douche is advancing rapidly. You should probably take heed and fix that.
     
  11. durvasa

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    A responsible sports league that is looking after the long term health of their athletes should put guidelines on what is an acceptable way of "enhancing" their performance. I'm all for the banning of PEDs known to have dangerous side effects.
     
  12. SSP365

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    lol wut?

    Like i said there is inherent risk in everything. There is physical side effects in everything you do or eat.

    Too much wine is bad for you. Alcohol and Tobacco is bad for you. Lifting too much weights is bad for you.

    Should we ban all those things?

    nah im good.

    im still way behind your level of douchebaggery doe...
     
  13. SSP365

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    finally a coherent post.

    i feel the same way.

    Why ban a drug that can help heal athletes quickly?

    deer antler spray should be in every nfl locker rooms.
     
  14. CometsWin

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    Lol Wut? First I sud dares noting wrong wit usen da PED's and den I said it was a philosophical q on it moralidee. I dun unerstaind wut I tipe. Lol Say wuuuut?

    Fo real doe igno fo da win.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    PEDs create a severe imbalance in the playing field for players. Players have to decide whether they will risk their long term health and take drugs in order to compete with the other players that are doing so, against the rules. A player with more money has better access to designer drugs.

    An old player who has made millions can prevent another player from getting a roster spot by using PEDs to artificially enhance his performance in a way that puts him ahead of a player who is not willing to do so.

    There was a player who tweeted today towards a Bastardo, calling him an ahole for costing him a job in 2011 when he was cheating.
     
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    PEDs are based on the naive premise of fair play, sportsmanship, and the "honor of the game".

    I think most athletes do it in some form. Just let them, why pretend otherwise?
     
  17. durvasa

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    Are you also against stricter rules/fines against flopping in the NBA, because its so rampant?
     
  18. Major

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    Except there's no evidence to support this statement - it's purely conjecture.

    Seems to me those supporting widespread PED use have little regard for the long-term health of athletes.
     
  19. Johndoe804

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    I agree with the OP. The NBA would be much better if everybody on the court was an aggressive roid-fueled, super-althete, freak of nature.
     
  20. SSP365

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    The fact that its illegal and demonized is what's causing an imbalance and un even playing field.

    If you actually wanted to level the playing field you would legalize it and let everybody decide whether or not they want to use it and not have the negative media firestorm if you do decide to use.

    If it was legal, it would be cheaper and everybody would be able to afford it. The fact that its illegal is what makes it more expensive and only those that are rich and willing to push it to the limit and risk their reputation are willing to use it.

    So that totally contradicts every reason you just made.
     

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