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The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Icehouse, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. Icehouse

    Icehouse Contributing Member

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    I'm not a history buff. Is this true?

     
  2. Dairy Ashford

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    Black, not a slave, parents had guns.
     
  3. Realjad

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    There were many and various reasons as to why each person put their signature in the mix however the person who wrote it and the founding fathers in totality were very clear that guns were for government tyranny.

    Alot of the founding fathers were actually against slavery but it was to mixed at the time and they needed to make a deal, the ones who were against slavery figured we would abolish it in time after we became a country


    For example Thomas Jefferson a huge proponent to the 2nd amendmend was completley against slavery and tried to get it outlawed. He tried time and time again while also being hugely in favor of the second amendment

    Here's some quotes from the men mentioned as what they really said

    "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
    Patrick Henry

    "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." James Madison

    "...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason



    "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)


    Guys it is pretty easy to see the meaning of why they wants us to bear arms and Jefferson even went one step further

    "On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)

    Here is a quote from Hitler

    "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
    Adolph Hitler
    Chancellor, Germany, 1933
     
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    There may have been some who wanted it to keep their slave patrols, but reading the documents of the founding fathers shows you that the majority's concern was an armed populace being the only counterweight against an all powerful government.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    I honestly need to do more research but on its face I don't trust it

    I get sick of the manipulation of black people in specific
    and people in general through tying someone else's issue to slavery etc.

    It is not unlike the Nazi issue . . . turn people against Obama by tying him to hitler . .etc.

    EAT VEGGIES CAUSE NAZIS WERE CARNIVORES
    HITLER ATE LETTUCE . . OBAMA EATS LETTUCE . . IT CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE
    or similar bull****.

    So . . . I say It requires more reseach before I buy into it.
    but at first sniff . . .it reaks of propaganda and manipulation

    Rocket River
     
  6. juicystream

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    Somebody completely against slavery wouldn't have owned slaves...
     
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  7. DonnyMost

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    I'm guessing that it was a pleasant by-product for the pro-slavery crowd, and not necessarily the main reason.
     
  8. dharocks

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    Let's get real here... TJ may have been more progressive in that regard than James Madison, but compared to the other principle founding fathers he made for a pretty ambivalent abolitionist, and that's being generous.
     
  9. Svpernaut

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    Danny Glover posts in D&D?
     
  10. Dairy Ashford

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    I figured indian-fighting, frontier and winter food supply and the lack of any real local law enforcement all had something to do with it.
     
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    A lot of people after the war changed their views on slavery and let all their slaves go. But unfortunately a lot of slaves stayed, and still did work for money for their former slave owners.

    crazy right?
     
  13. dharocks

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    Jefferson wasn't one of them.

    Not particularly.
     
  14. rimrocker

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    Sigh. We have dealt with these quotes before in numerous other gun threads and they do not mean what you think they mean. The Hitler quote is absolutely bogus. No historical record ever has him saying that and the big gun law was passed in 1938, not 1933... And that law did not do anything close to what is suggested by Adolf's made-up quote.
     
  15. dharocks

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    The Jefferson quote ("...against tyranny in government") is fake too.
     
  16. Harrisment

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    edit: double post
     
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  17. Harrisment

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    http://saf.org/pub/rkba/general/BogusFounderQuotes.htm
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    http://propagandaprofessor.net/2011/09/26/the-myth-of-hitlers-gun-ban/
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    http://fakehistory.wordpress.com/2011/01/25/madison-and-the-advantage-of-being-armed/
    I don't have time to look up all of them for you, but you get the idea.
     
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  18. txppratt

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    thomas jefferson set the standard for 'fraternizing with the help'

    ask sally hemmings.
     
  19. Svpernaut

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    Many of the founding fathers were against slavery, including John Adams. He never bought a slave nor ever employed one. He didn't make slavery an issue, because at the time it was too divisive, and many others felt the same way. Remember, slavery was abolished in Massachusetts in 1788, and throughout much of New England around the same time. Nine states abolished slavery by about 1800. The Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791, so in less than a decade several clearly made changes in the right direction.

    TL,DR - This is horse****.
     
  20. Johndoe804

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    I tend to agree with George Mason, who didn't sign the Constitution because he felt it gave the federal government too much power.
     

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