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"The problem with Daryl Morey...that he's been mythologized before he's done anything worth heraldin

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sommermärchen, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. Easy

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    Most companies would rather retain a guy long term than swapping him for a guy that is about 2% better. Of course, if you can trade 5 guys for a guys who is 200% better than any of them, you do it.

    Yes, I understand this. I think up to the middle of last season, Morey probably still thought that with H&H in his pocket, he didn't have to chase a third star. (It'd be nice to have one but not absolutely necessary.) But after the second half of the season and the playoffs, he appeared to be convinced that H&H with good role players would not be enough to win it all. He seemed to have given up hope that Harden would ever play good defense. He seemed to have given up hope that Howard could be dominant inside enough without a true stretch 4.

    It takes at least one full season for a team to gel. Every time you swap out a significant part of your rotation, you pretty much have to throw away a full year of your stars' prime. That why I say it is inefficient.

    And I am not even talking about us fans having to root for a new bunch of guys every season.
     
  2. RoxBeliever

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    Who mythologized Morey? The media did. Rockets fans--well, he's our GM, we can root for him; we're homers.

    Morey stands out because he does things unconventional. He does things that goes against the grain of most GMs. He's an easy target.

    Author just wants to ride on Morey's name to get views for his article which isn't even well-researched.
     
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  3. ForTheWinYes

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    Basketball fans who hate anyone successful not involved with their favorite team, anti-analytics "killer instinct, has what it takes" guys and anti-intellectual Ric Bucher-types, OKC fans, Lakers fans, and LOFs who hate every Rocket form a pretty large group when combined. When faced with the general lack of logic and #hotsportstakes exhibited in sports discussions, it makes for a tough time for anyone not in those groups and doesn't hate Daryl Morey visiting other forums.
     
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    Morey is a great GM. Yes it was a horrible offseason but I agree with almost every move he made. He does lack the gravitas of a Pat Riley, Jerry West, Phil Jackson, etc. - that only HOFers can bring. If that why he kept McHale?

    Still think he should have let McHale go.

    Not sure about the timing of the Lin trade. Whether or not he had to make that trade to pursue Bosh...

    Maybe could have gotten more for Lin at the deadline..? Could we have signed someone like Jordan Farmar earlier and kept enough space to pursue Bosh?
     
  5. Easy

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    If you count how many "in Morey we trust" posts on this board, you'll see how Morey is god-like to some people here.

    I know those words are sometimes in jest. But you can see that there are quite a bit of people who believe that no matter how bleak it is, Morey will always be able to pull something out of his sleeves.
     
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    This ×1000. Id rep if I wasnt on a mobile.
     
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    But all that isn't just in Morey's head...It's likely true. We don't have enough. Chandler wasn't enough. Howard needs spacing. Harden likely won't play good enough defense. Is he just suppose to accept it, so they can continue with the same roster? There are good reasons to keep making moves. There are championships to win. Most businesses win it all by just making the most money and not by winning a tournament.
     
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    Morey certainly helps with the myth. The media prematurely celebrated him while Morey celebrated himself. It's not all on the media
     
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    How exactly did Morey celebrate, oh wise one?
     
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    You realize how young the team is right? Outside of Howard, everyone is improving. Morey makes some tweaks every year, and some of the players he traded or given up because they weren't "good enough" back then, now have grown to be "good enough" players. If Morey only had the patience.

    Instead of giving up on Harden's defense, why not fire McHale and find someone who can hold Harden accountable for his lack of effort on D. Instead of going for the 3rd star, why not let this freshly put together team gel for another year and see if they can grow to be "enough".
     
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    What points are exactly idiotic to you? Is it a known fact Morey openly treats his players like assets? Um yes. Have players left here unhappy because of it? Um yes. The Rockets have done almost nothing in the playoffs since Morey got here (2nd round is nothing special) and yet Morey's some genius? Um no. This whole thread is full of the "metric-sympathizers" the writer mentioned. Did you read the article? The guy said Morey's a good GM. He just doesn't think of him as highly of you do, and I know that's hard for you to understand. But results are results and Morey hasn't produced any. 95% of Morey's fanbase resides here on clutchfans. Outside of that he's seen as overrated. Who's the moron?
     
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    I like how the excuse always is "what has he won"? Give me results, results results :rolleyes:

    I mean until the Decision happened LBJ never won a ring. Was LBJ a total flop before he came to Miami, thats like 9 seasons of his career. Kg never won a ring until he got traded to Boston, are you gonna tell me Kg was a total loser before he was 30?

    Only idiots base it on results without any context whatsoever, which people like this author who talk about DM not having any results are just haters. If Morey and his staff got a contender or a superstar in his prime likeLBJ, OK fire the guy. But 5 years ago he got the oldest team in the league with Yao ming who was about to retire and a broken Tmac. Without tanking his team then turned it to a squad that has Howard and Harden who is only 24. That's not results? GTFO here then CF doesn't need idiots on the forum :rolleyes:
     
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    Well Danny Ferry had several ECFs and even 1 Finals appearance. Is he a better GM than Morey? Dumars won a ring and had multiple ECf appearances as well is he better than Morey?

    Also players are assets. They are contracts and can be traded for other assets. Not sure if you understand what GM is supposed to do.
     
  15. GoRox2013

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    Um, yea. If Morey retired tomorrow and his only accomplishment was "getting Howard & Harden (who is only 24:rolleyes:)", then you guys are truly incompetent. He's been here since 06, yet ppl still making Tmac & Yao references??? Theres not even a gurantee Harden & Howard will win anything. Yet Morey's the best GM for putting in Rockets uniforms lol. How dumb
     
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    Yes they are. Why? Because they got their respective teams out the 1st round:rolleyes:
     
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    Judging out of context based on absolute standards is ridiculous. If corporations did that, every corporation in the world would simultaneously fire the entire management team every 3-10 years like clockwork when the next recession rolled around.

    In baseball, if you judged like that, whomever the Yankees and Red Sox hired would automatically become the best GM in baseball, even if they were no more than marginally competent, since they have the built in advantage of trotting out $200 million dollar payrolls, and whoever was GM of the Pirates or the Royals would automatically need to be fired annually, as they are pretty much locks to rank as the worst GM in the league judging only by the absolute on field results.

    If Morey is so bad, I would like someone to come up with a list of all the GM's that are better. Lets compare their tenures move by move.

    Is Pat Riley the greatest GM evah, simply because he happened to have Dwayne Wade on his roster who was able to get a couple of his friends to come play with him? Does Riley take credit for the fact that Lebron and Bosh like D Wade? I'd like to see a reasoned defense of that position that is more complicated than just a single sentence. Was he writing love letters to Bosh and Lebron, which he signed and mailed out on Wade's behalf?
     
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    Get used to it. Until the Rockets get past the second round of the playoffs, this will be the narrative. Landing a particular player/asset or a superstar is not an end; it is a means to an end (NBA championship). Until your means gets you to your end, the project cannot be considered a success.
     
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    Lol! Well, if results don't matter, then Morey has to be the luckiest GM this side of Wes Unseld because apparently, no matter how the teams he assembles perform on the court, he'll always be above reproach.
     
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    Yes many considered Lebron as a flop in Cleveland. Plus he made a trip to the finals and accomplished much more than the Rockets have under Morey.
     

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