The price of being different-Ohio transgender teen's suicide note: 'Fix society. Please.'

Out of curiosity, to what "personality disorder" are you referring? Just wondering if you consider their transgender leanings a mental illness.

 

Have you not been paying attention to the entire thread? Transexualism is considered a mental disorder by the International Classification of Diseases and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders calls the affliction gender dysphoria.....yes, it's a mental disorder.

Now it's important that we draw a distinction between Transexualism/Gender Dysphoria and merely a transvestic fetish, because simply having the sexual fetish doesn't mean that you have the mental disorder, but Transexualism/Gender Dysphoria IS a mental disorder.

 

She wasn't mentally ill. You are such a closed minded fool. I don't even say that as an insult...it's just a matter of fact. Go to a different culture and see if this happens. I was talking to a transgender (or someone you might call mentally ill) filipina friend of mine and she didn't understand how something like this could happen because her gender choice. She thought Americans were more accepting. I had to explain it to her over and over again that it was the lack of acceptance from the family that caused this. Transgender people are not viewed the same way from culture to culture. They certainly aren't viewed as mentally ill in every culture even though you have decided transgender people are mentally ill because of what you read somewhere.

Homosexuals used to be viewed as mentally ill. Would you call a homosexual mentally ill as well? Would you call a homosexual that kills her or himself mentally ill because they could not find acceptance from their family?

 

How are transgender people treated in Muslim countries?

 

Ultimately we are responsible for our own mental state. Whatever the outside factor, how we interpret and react to is of our "choice".

Most of us aren't aware that we have this "choice" and that is why most of us can be influenced.

In a society, how society view us affect how we view ourselves for the vast majority of us. If society define that what we are is an illness, we likely think something is wrong with us - that's just the nature for most of us, especially the younger one or those that have yet to develop the inner strength to know who they are.

So, it's absolutely the case that society has an impact on individual behaviors for most of us. As I said, we are ultimately responsible for our action/reaction, but that is in no way to said society has no impact (for the majority of us). Human aren't that evolved yet to not be impacted by society culture and thinking.

There isn't any blaming that is necessary here. There is just looking at why these folks decide to kill themselves (and that means understand it from their perspective, not from your) and what sensible changes would help them or not destroy them.

[Conversion therapy is basically saying you are wrong and you need to change. You need to be what we define you to be, not what you think you are. It is well known that this does not work and is counter-productive. A better approach is you are weird (from my viewpoint), but that's who you are and if you have mental issue with who you are, we'll help you. Who knows, maybe you wake up one day and be "normal" again. In this particular case, it sounds like the parent forced their view on who he should be through conversion therapy and restricting his freedom instead of providing help for his depression and ultimately he decided it's better to be dead than to live with that pain]

 

It is astonishing the number of people in this thread who lack understanding regarding the underlying causes of depression. According to the DSM, whose veracity has already been touted for in this thread, severe clinical depression cannot be pinned down to one major cause, and the disease can be triggered by a wide variety of factors.

Among the most prevalent depression-triggering causes acknowledged by the health community are stressful life events—or better understood as external factors that exert a great deal of anxiety onto the victim.

The effects of stress on the body are well chronicled. Stress has the capability of playing a large role in physical illnesses, and it is certainly a culprit in major depressive disorders.

The young woman in question—or man, if that serves your biases—was clearly suffering from severe, external life events. She had her support network stripped away, was subject to an antiquated version of psychotherapy—which as Northside Storm has already shown, is considered a form of child abuse—and was subject to the belief that her entire personality was sinful and wrong.

Her very parents, the people who are supposed to support her in trying times, did not understand her. They may have loved her, but their actions—as acknowledged in the suicide note—caused an unhealthy amount of stress to be placed upon the victim.

It is ridiculous that people believe this teenager's depression was solely caused by her own inner mental functions and find that society is not at fault at all.

Quotes like this one are particularly disturbing.

Depression is a disease that is still not well understood by the health community. Its causes appear to be wide-ranging, and it is impossible to definitively make any statements like the one shown above. To claim that society cannot be at fault displays a lack of understanding regarding depression, as it has been shown time and time again that external factors play a role in causing the disease.

 

One's gender is not a choice, it's a biological fact.

Homosexuality is in no way related to transexualism or gender dysphoria.

 

A male can not become a female, a female can not become a male. Your state can not change from one to the other, it is fixed.....even if you mutilate your genitalia and add breast implants.

 

Depends on which ones.

 

Embrace the butterfly.

Take a walk on the wild side.
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Or maybe just read a grown up book on human sexuality written in the last half century.

 

We live in a world where all sorts of genetic anomalies happen. The idea that your brain and your gentials might not have gotten the same programming is hard for you to understand obviously. This is what science thinks is the case, not that these people are the equivalent of thinking they are birds.

People like you are the reason people like this kid commit suicide. If you had any sense of justice and fairness you'd realize your views are backwards and derogatory, and represent indoctrination of an ideology and a lack of the ability to think critically.

I feel sorry for you, not transgender people.

 

Psychology disagrees with you, however I wouldn't expect that to slow you down or change your mind. Feel free to believe whatever ignorant nonsense you want to believe, it really won't change a thing.

 

Psychology doesn't disagree with me. You simply are spinning a story to yourself to believe in lies.

I'm sorry you have been so badly brainwashed.

 

Fair enough, I fully believe that you don't know enough to know that you are wrong. Either way, I've spent enough time discussing this with someone contented with ignorance.

 

Someone made a great argument - far better than me above. You didn't respond to it. I think that says a lot.

 

LOL are you talking about the butterfly comment? In what way is that related to humans? Sure it's possible for someone to have an intersex condition, but that's not the same thing as transexualism or gender dysphoria.....and if you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that. I didn't comment on it because it was a particularly bad argument.