The price of being different-Ohio transgender teen's suicide note: 'Fix society. Please.'

As long as you are happy with it, it's all good. What's "pansexual"? Never heard of it.

Nobody. But you care enough, obviously, to post incessantly about it and try to derive some moral superiority over the rest of society.

 

DSM is really not that official and is something that gets changed very often and is considered controversial. It is merely the publication of an association - a trade publication. Not scientific in the way it is put together it's a guide a bunch of professionals create.

Actually there's an interesting discussion about this in the "Psychopath Test" - great book by the way.

But it is a massive mistake to say that being transgender is a mental disorder. There is absolutely no science behind that claim.

 

It's not that hard to understand why those who either don't know what gender they are, or believe themselves to be the opposite gender would be considered mentally ill. If I told you that there was a man who believed that he was actually a bird and he believed this so strongly that he had plastic surgery to mutilate his arms and turn them into faux wings in an effort to feed his delusion....would you have a problem if I suggested that person was mentally ill? Would you need science to "prove it"?

A man that believes that he's actually a woman that believes it to the point where he mutilates his genitals to make it appear as if he had female genitalia in order to feed his delusion is not that much different. It's usually a harmless delusion, so there's no reason to not let them go nuts chopping off whatever they choose if it makes them feel better, but they obviously have a mental disorder.

There's really not an argument against transexualism or gender dysphoria being a mental disorder, it describes an enduring maladaptive pattern of behavior, cognition, and inner experience. These patterns develop early, are inflexible, and are associated with significant distress or disability.....that's pretty much the exact definition of a personality disorder. Is there any part of that you deny?

 

The DSM isn't the only voice though, there is also the ICD, which uses "transexualism" instead of "gender dysphoria" and has 3 criteria.

Also, I'm curious about the quote

Being dysphoric simply means that you are unsatisfied....a male who doesn't want to be a male or doesn't believe that they are male could be said to be dysphoric about his gender. I mean it's not that complicated.

Obviously though there is a distinction between those who simply have a transvestic fetish and those who are actually transexual or gender dysphoric, is that what you meant?

 

LOL I wasn't "name dropping" the DSM, Sweet Lou was foolishly suggesting that those who thought transexualism or gender dysphoria got that from the bible, I was just pointing out how off-base that was by naming the most well known manual of psychological disorders.

The DSM has 4 criteria for gender dysphoria

All of those appear to be present in the teenage boy that killed himself.

 

It's amusing to watch the intern Northside Breeze hear of something for the first time ever (like DSM), frantically googling it and then acting like an instant expert who has known this stuff forever, taking on a wannabe condescending tone. It's a recurring pattern...very transparent.

 

Sad story. I do believe they are pushing an agenda with this child. Even IF, this young man had seen a Dr. that was all for re assignment surgery and the parents embarrassed her in his new identity.

The dirty secret these groups are not letting known is that 51% of these people still commit suicide after surgery.

"The Transgender Task Force reports 41% attempt suicide. In the Transgender Task Force transgenders survey, they admit they selectively eliminated from the survey all regretters who reverted back to their birth gender. The people whose suicide was a success or the transgenders who go back to their birth gender do not have a voice.

It is amazing how poor the surgical results are when you collect the documented studies where 61% of transgenders report suffering from psychological problems, 41% attempt suicide and 10% who never adjust to the gender change.

There should be a sign at the door of the operating room that reads:

Enter at your own risk."

http://waltheyer.typepad.com/blog/2...cide-have-deep-regret-or-will-not-adjust.html

 

It is pretty obvious that in North America societies, transexuals are not as tolerated as the rest of the LGBT community

homosexuality is more or less accepted now by most people morally, or at least ignored. Can't really say the same about transgendered people though.

The one thing I'm wondering about is the suicide rate for transgendered. in countries in Thailand where trans people are more abundant and more tolerated compared to North America.

 

If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say American society is 20 years behind transgender and non-cisgender acceptance.

My company hired some transgender employees, and it was a hr nightmare for a decently sized organization to accommodate their needs despite the best intentions.

I could say I learned something from their challenges, but it was still something foreign that I couldn't fully understand.

It's a different animal than being gay, though the analogue can simply be applied.

 

Your understanding of life is unfortunate. This is the fault of society. I'm sorry that you are too obtuse to see that.

 

Society's note to transgender teen, "Fix your face."

 

Did "society" make the kid mentally ill? No.
Did "society" make the kid choose to kill himself? No.

I don't see how you blame society for the actions of the mentally ill. It's just odd to even suggest.

 

Your questions are ridiculous. As ridiculous as this - if this person live in a world devoided of society, would he be mentally ill, would he kill himself

 

Well you're right, that is a ridiculous question. My questions however, were not. In some sense, you could argue that ALL personality disorders are the fault of there being a society for them to fail to adapt to....but that's not really productive because there's always going to be a society.