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The price of being different-Ohio transgender teen's suicide note: 'Fix society. Please.'

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Jan 11, 2015.

  1. Northside Storm

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    Alan Turing was white, rich, and relatively old. It didn't stop anybody from tearing his life apart because he was homosexual.
     
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    He killed himself because he was mentally ill, I understand the desire to blame others, but it's no one else's fault. Depression and suicide are common and unfortunate side effects of gender dysphoria. Blaming others for it is similar to blaming others for the fever that comes along with a cold.
     
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    We can also delve into the numbers.

    The suicide rate for 15- to 19-year-olds is 6.9 per 100,000.

    White men over the age of 85 (the most extreme demographic possible, people who have more than likely lived full lives as well), have a suicide rate of 49.8 deaths per 100,000 (are they rich because they're white and old, btw?)

    If LGBT youth are 8 times more likely than the average to attempt suicide, that means the rate of LGBT youth suicides can be as high as 55.2, which means LGBT youth who haven't even lived yet are killing themselves at higher rates than men who have lived full lives.

    http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20507781,00.html
     
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    That's the recurring theme of Northside Storm's posts. He wants to constantly blame Western society and act morally superior. Maybe it makes him feel better or something.
     
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    I'm sorry, but even if you subscribe to the notion that depression is like a fever, what happened here was the equivalent of sending somebody with a cold to a butcher shop.

     
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    Lol...The experts on all things black and Muslim are also experts in transgender.
     
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    We just need bigtexx and the circle of superiority and "get like me" is complete.
     
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    Fair enough, feel free to blame the crazed actions of a mentally ill little boy on others. It really won't change anything. Society didn't make him mentally ill and it wasn't society that made him kill himself no matter how much you want to blame everyone other than the person who actually committed the act.
     
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    Well the current treatment and help they would get is to have their gender transformed to match their mental perception of what their gender identity is.

    They arent considered mentally ill by the medical establishment. Unless you consider the Bible to be your authority on gender science.

    It's really sad to see people with such backwards views. Just goes to show how stupid people still are despite all the knowledge available on the internet.
     
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    Yea... You dudes will debate any damn thing.
     
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    Please know what you are talking about before you post, gender dysphoria is in the DSM......you know, the medial establishment, and is classified as a mental disorder.

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    Fixed
     
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    It will if it gets conversion therapy banned. This is an unscientific, dangerous, and unethical treatment that is at the tip of the iceberg of how society abuses and stigmatizes those that fall outside a scale of sexual acceptability.
     
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    Homosexuality was once too--and you can be sure that in time, the DSM will once again be edited.

    Of course, your heavy citation of the DSM misses this critical fact:

     
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    Northside Storm, are you personally affected by this issue? If yes, rest assured, I am not judging you for it.
     
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    lmao--why are you even in this thread
     
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    I understand wanting to use the suicide of a mentally ill little boy to further political objectives, but it's kind of scummy isn't it? He didn't kill himself because of a failed attempt at what I believe to be wrongheaded therapy, he killed himself because he was mentally ill. Should we ban every therapy method used on mental patients who eventually kill themselves? Do we blame the people around the mentally ill for the effects of their mental illness? Seems as wrongheaded as conversion therapy to me.
     
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    It was in the suicide note. jesus. How can you even begin to claim to speak for the kid without even reading the note. Before you call me "kinda scummy", read the note.
     
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    I don't doubt that at some point the LBGT community will try to force that out of the DSM, but if it happens, it won't be because it's not a mental illness, it'll be solely for political purposes. I think removing mental illnesses for political reasons is harmful and could lead to those who need help not getting it....but you know, whatever.

    I have no problem with gender dysphoria being treated by mutilating the mentally ill person's genitals and with other plastic surgeries and hormone treatments so that it's easier for them to pretend they are something they are not if they are adults and that's really what they want to do. Sometimes it's best to play along with the delusions of the mentally ill when they aren't harmful delusions.
     
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    The ramblings of a mentally ill, suicidal teenager isn't exactly the most valid source. Who he blamed for his actions is kind of irrelevant. If a mental person killed themselves and their suicide note blamed Obama or Mountain Dew for their actions, would you believe we should go after them as well?
     

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