You cannot read? I said he might be the best PF we have. what I am saying is that heyes is not a legmit starter for PF. He could be good off bench. Compare hayes to dennis rodman??? You must be kidding. JVG must be so stupid that he benched dennis rodman.
Sorry for missing your first sentence. If Howard and Swift are retained, would you agree then that Hayes deserves more than those 15 minutes? -- edit -- Actually, now that I reread your post, it's still misleading. "Hayes might be best PF... But ..." Does Hayes deserve more playing time than Howard or Swift? Not clear from that. --- Read my post again, as I was editing it while you were replying. Why must I be kidding in comparing Hayes (as a rookie) to Rodman? Give me your reasons. What Hayes has shown as a rookie -- strong individual and team defender, great hustle, terrific rebounding, good energy, even the celebratory mannerisms when he makes a good play, are all reminiscent of a young Rodman.
Hayes may not be a starter. But neither is Juwan or Stro for sure. Hayes is our best rebounding PF, and our best post-up defending PF. He should be getting significantly more minutes right now and Juwan should be getting zero. Giving Juwan minutes serves no purpose right now, except to help us lose more games and be less competitive.
The answer to the PF issue is to draft one. Sheldon Williams should be around by the time we pick. Grab him. At least you know he's going to play good defense, try hard, block a few shots, and crash the boards. ... which is more than you can say about Howard or Stro (no offense to Howard, I think he trys hard).
More on the Rodman vs. Chuck Hayes comparison ... This is purely a comparison between their "box score stats". I wanted to compare Rodman in his first 7 years with the Pistons to Chuck Hayes. To make it a balanced comparison, I made each stat per minute, and I also adjusted for pace (B-R.com and 82games.com shows possessions per game for teams). Even though the Pistons were one of the slowest pace teams in the league while Rodman was there, they still played at a faster pace than the current Rockets. So, the numbers below can be viewed as a pace-adjusted per-40 minute stats. Note the wide disparity in minutes played between Chuck Hayes and Rodman during his time with the Pistons. Some might claim that there isn't enough of a sample for Hayes to make the comparison meaningful. But actually, basketball stat people say that 250+ minutes is usually sufficient to get a good guage on how productive a player would be per minute. Hayes has played over 400 minutes this season, so it isn't unreasonable to expect similar per-minute production with more minutes. Code: [SIZE=2]OFFENSIVE STATS ---------------- min PTS AST TO FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 1987 1155 17.14 1.92 3.19 7.30 13.41 0.00 0.03 2.54 4.32 1988 2147 18.06 2.08 2.96 7.54 13.44 0.09 0.32 2.88 5.38 1989 2208 13.94 1.88 2.39 5.99 10.07 0.11 0.49 1.84 2.94 Rodman 1990 2377 12.82 1.28 1.60 5.13 8.84 0.02 0.16 2.53 3.87 1991 2747 10.60 1.35 1.49 4.37 8.87 0.10 0.48 1.76 2.79 1992 3301 10.58 2.53 1.85 4.52 8.40 0.42 1.34 1.11 1.85 1993 2410 8.37 1.82 1.84 3.27 7.67 0.27 1.30 1.56 2.91 ----- ------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- total 16345 12.48 1.85 2.06 5.19 9.67 0.17 0.68 1.92 3.24 min PTS AST TO FG FGA FG3 FG3A FT FTA ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Hayes 2006 435 12.54 1.15 0.94 4.91 9.09 0.00 0.10 2.72 4.28[/SIZE] Code: REBOUNDING/DEFENSIVE STATS -------------------------- min ORB DRB TRB STL BLK PF ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 1987 1155 5.59 5.79 11.38 1.30 1.65 5.69 1988 2147 6.03 7.52 13.55 1.42 0.85 5.17 1989 2208 6.20 8.44 14.64 1.04 1.44 5.54 Rodman 1990 2377 5.99 8.13 14.12 0.93 1.07 4.92 1991 2747 5.72 10.54 16.26 1.03 0.87 4.45 1992 3301 6.92 13.32 20.24 0.90 0.93 3.28 1993 2410 6.56 13.67 20.23 0.86 0.80 3.59 ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- total 16345 6.22 10.19 16.41 1.04 1.03 4.48 min ORB DRB TREB STL BLK PF ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Hayes 2006 435 5.64 10.24 15.88 2.09 1.04 6.58 Statistically, Hayes certainly compares well to what Dennis Rodman did over his first 7 years. Specifically, Hayes has better rebounding numbers as a rookie than Rodman did his first four years, while Rodman was a more involved scorer early on. Hayes has been adept at getting steals, but he's also been called for a lot of fouls. Rodman also fouled at a high rate early on, though not quite at the same extent. Of course, more fouls are called in general in today's NBA than back in the late 80s.
I agree with u about his height disadvantage. but please, do u think Howard will do any better, heck NOOOO,, Howard sucks so bad on everything ... Swift might be good on D because of his athleticism(that fool can jump) and height(6-10 aint bad), but he should put some effort.. but if I had the choice of Howard or Chuck, I would take Chuck with my eyes closed.. and he is not good off the bench for only 10-15 minutes, he is good for 30 or even 40 minutes when he matches up with the other team.. that's why I'm suggesting that we keep Swift and make Chuck his backup because that fixes that problem..
Williams is the answer. Draft him, chain him the hoop and make him practise 15-18 footers every day unitl the season starts. Then we have our Oakley/Antonio Davis PF that Yao needs for help in the paint.
I'm fine with that as long as we can trade Stro and/or Juwan and whatever for an established scorer at the SG position. But what if we get lucky and get a top 3 pick? I wouldn't draft Shelden that high. He's in all likelihood going to still be there at 9 or 10. I'd either take Rudy Gay(only under the condition JVG starts him and gives him 30 mpg) or I'd try to trade down with somebody like Toronto, maybe our lottery pick and Stro for Mo Pete and their lower pick where we could then draft Shelden.
Well yeah we'll definately need to get that SG spot sorted out somehow. I think Stro would have to be the one to go as no team would be stupid enough to acquire Juwan's contract with so long to go on it. But Juwan could be great off the bench, a veteran who knows JVG's system and will have fresher legs due to decreased minutes. I think we should look to Atlanta to take one of their wing players off their hands. There is also JR Smith as well. I just feel that finding THAT type of rugged power forward will be harder than finding a scoring/shooting two guard and that if we have the oppurtunity to draft one--we should. Provided its not a top 3 pick---In that case we select Aldridge or Thomas or trade it with Stro for KG or Jermaine O'Neal, if that's a financial possibility.
I am with you that Hayes is our best PF and he should start (25-28 minutes playing time). Swift comes off the bench. Howard should just stay on bench for ever. Hayes has the potential to be Rodman, which doesnot mean he will be Rodman. Swift has the potential to be our perfect PF, but he failed.
Howard must go. look at our record. The Juwan Curse is true. He didn't even show up for the playoffs for the Rockets. he probably never will.
Like Deion says: I want both. I want a starting SG and a starting PF. Juwan is terrible. He is our achilles heal defensively, just a total sieve with zero intimidation factor. He needs to come off the bench and provide some post scoring when Yao goes to the bench, maybe 10 mpg max. That's it.
Per Jopatmc: Like Deion says: I want both. "I want a starting SG and a starting PF. Juwan is terrible. He is our achilles heal defensively, just a total sieve with zero intimidation factor. He needs to come off the bench and provide some post scoring when Yao goes to the bench, maybe 10 mpg max. That's it." I could not agree more.
I agree and I really don't think selecting a PF when we already have such a huge mess at the position as it is, should be out of the question anymore. Ask yourself this question: Do you really think Swift is going to be a Rocket next season? JVG clearly doesn't trust him enough to give him significant minutes and thats a bold statement. Howard is already the worst starting PF in the conference and is still playing 30+ minutes a game with Swift's minutes and role being reduced. I really think that there's little possibility of Swift ever thriving under JVG and since JVG is more than likely to be retained, I think Swift doesn't have much of a future with this team and will be moved. Howard has no trade value at all on a lengthy contract so we're stuck with him. JVG loves him on top of that. The good news is having to hang on to him isn't the end of the world and actually could be a good thing. Provided we find an adequete starter, Howard could be a decent "instant offense" kind of guy off the bench. Kind of like our version of Jerry Stackhouse in the "key veteran rotation player, who used to be a #1 option, thats overpaid and doesn't like to play defense yet can still contribute". If all of our better options at SG (Roy, Gay, Carney) are all taken, selecting Shelden Williams is probably the best choice to make. His ability to rebound, block shots and defend the post are already enough to validate him as an improvement at PF. He's a very strong player with size that actually prefers to play close to the basket---something that is rare anymore. I just really think he's one of the safest picks in the draft you can make since his game translates to the next level so well.
r u outta ur mind ??? 10 minutes ??? maybe on Albeqerque (I probably misspelled it) Flyers or on some NBDL team.. but not with the rockets .. . he should take Lampe's place as a bench warmer or a water boy.. or how about trading his fat contract to some other stupid team... but in the current time, we absolutely need him to help us lose every game left... then, he can go.. the problem is he never gets injured.. he only got hurt once (last year's run to the playoffs) and the injury resulted in going to the playoffs and taking Dallas to the 7th game..if we had him last year, we would've probably been a lottery team like this year's...
