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The Pelosi-Trump State of the Union Address Chess Match

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jan 16, 2019.

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  1. RESINator

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    Lol Mr. Tiny hands has conceded the sotu until the shutdown is over.
     
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    Actually, much like the phrase "Prime the pump" - did you know Trump invented the name Nancy?


    ECONOMIST: Nancy?
    TRUMP: Yeah, have you heard it?
    ECONOMIST: Yes.
    TRUMP: Have you heard that name used before? Because I haven't heard it. I mean, I just...I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It's what you have to do.
     
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    he gladly shutdown the government and proudly took the mantle!
     
    #263 vlaurelio, Jan 23, 2019
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    lol
     
    #265 gifford1967, Jan 23, 2019
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    lol
     
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  7. Major

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    The underlying issue here is that Trump finally found someone willing to treat him like he treats others, and he really has no idea what to do about it.
     
    #267 Major, Jan 23, 2019
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    Yeah this is interesting because whether they are MAGA hat wearing or closet Trump voters who we see all the time here that didn’t vote for him apparently (but we all know they did), it’s probably pretty close to the total number that voted for him in 2016.

    Which is why Dems have to assume they could all come home in 2020 like they did in 2016 and vote out of hatred of Democrats if this isn’t the right candidate like Obama was and Hillary wasn’t (change candidate who appealed to some Trump working class white voters in the mid west).

    So when I hear “Core base” I do feel like that’s about 35% of the electorate who watch FoxNews or get their news from shared right wing Facebook memes. But there is about 45% of the electorate that’ll vote for him every time if you let them. They really despise Liberals and will look for any excuse they can if you give it to them. Maybe in the end they all should be considered his base if you are being objective about it.
     
    #268 dobro1229, Jan 24, 2019
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    I think I'm kind of leaning in this direction as well. I think there are Trump "supporters" who don't necessarily like Trump himself per se but like the fact that he's a "hate-the-government" and "throw-a-wrench-into-the-status-quo" kind of guy. I think the government shutdown appeals to some of these folks, even if they dislike Trump and think he's a pig. I saw yesterday a reference to a recent poll claiming 80+% of Republicans support the shutdown.
     
    #269 Os Trigonum, Jan 24, 2019
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    Which is why this is all about not giving Trump a win, and not really about the wall at all.
     
    #270 BigDog63, Jan 24, 2019
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    For the wall, I will gladly shutdown the government and take that mantle.
     
    #271 vlaurelio, Jan 24, 2019
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    LOL... fox news either admits trump got played, or is trying to goad him into some other crazy but futile response...

     
    #272 NewRoxFan, Jan 24, 2019
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    Let’s hope it’s the latter for the sheer theater of it
     
    #273 Os Trigonum, Jan 24, 2019
  14. BigDog63

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    Yes, for Trump its about the wall. For Nancy, it's about not giving it to him. It didn't really matter what it was he was for...it still would have been about not giving it to him.
     
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  15. Major

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    Would you rather deny him a wall that won't be built even if it's funded, or get a policy-win on something that Democrats actually want?
     
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  16. vlaurelio

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    no its about not giving in to hostage takers

    open the government and then come to the table

    that's what 70% of what the country wants
     
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    Americans increasingly don't want trump's "wall". And also increasingly, are blaming trump and republicans for trump's government shutdown. A shutdown that is hurting Americans (including our armed forces). And as the shutdown continues, more Americans will be increasingly hurt and eventually the entire economy will be hurt.

    At some point, republicans will have to abandon trump's vanity wall. Heck, maybe trump will abandon his wall. trump needs to end the shutdown now, with a commitment from republicans and Democrats to solve the immigration/border issue. He wins by getting ending his shutdown, helping those Americans hurt by the shutdown, and he can hope American opinion towards his wall will improve. He then has to get Americans to understand why the wall is important. Right now, the wall is only hurting Americans by causing the government shutdown.
     
    #277 NewRoxFan, Jan 24, 2019
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    Latest fox poll...

     
    #278 NewRoxFan, Jan 24, 2019
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    Same fox poll...

     
    #279 NewRoxFan, Jan 24, 2019
  20. BigDog63

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    I can catch the Democratic rhetoric on this from anywhere...no need to repeat it here.
     
    #280 BigDog63, Jan 24, 2019
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