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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by chrispbrown, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. chrispbrown

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    Interesting! You are logically consistent as far as regulations on these points, which I find myself inconsistent...I am also inconsistent by supporting abortions and opposing death penalty.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    I'm nothing if not a fascist, I guess. I'll take away all the fun stuff and then the guns too, so you can't do anything about it. :p
     
  3. Johndoe804

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  5. Haymitch

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    I must say, I do appreciate that you guys aren't mincing words. While I disagree with everything you say (literally, I do), it is refreshing to read from people who speak clearly when it comes to politics.

    Oh, Chomsky.

    One of my really good friends has been singing the anarcho-syndicalist song for as long as I've known him. He refers to me as a "propertarian." We used to have good times knocking down nonsense from our friends, most of whom toed the Democratic Party line. We had another friend who started out as a Democrat then libertarian then socialist then "anarcho-primitivist". He would get so angry we were actually afraid he would literally fight us for disagreeing with him, until one day he did. It was crazy. Who'da thunk that knocking democracy as an ideal would make a friend want to attack you?

    Anyway, that was very unrelated.

    I do appreciate anarcho-syndicalism even though I disagree with much of it.
     
  6. Johndoe804

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    It's hard to disagree with something that comes about voluntarily. It isn't as though the An-caps and An-syns can't live together. However, I tend to follow Mises' argument on Anarcho-Syndicalism that he spelled out in his book, "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis".
     
  7. ima_drummer2k

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    I've always been kind of a pacifist.

    When I was a kid, my father told me, "Never hit anyone in anger, unless you're absolutely sure you can get away with it."
     
  8. dmc89

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    I'm just left of Third Way (mixed capitalism with a strong safety net).

    Gay marriage: All for it.

    mar1juana: Legalize it.

    Gun laws: Background checks for all firearm sales. Need to enforce laws already in place rather than create too many new ones which criminals wouldn't follow anyway. No automatic battlefield rifles. No, you can't buy a rotary cannon with 4k rounds of ammo.

    IRS: Overblown. Bigger fish to fry like changing campaign finance, welfare reform, infrastructure, public education, debt, etc. Congratulated some friends who work/lobby/PR with the GOP. I wasn't the first.

    Syria: I hate seeing people massacred. I wish we were 1000x stronger than Russia and the world combined so we could swoop like superheroes to save the innocents from Assad and the extremists. I wish we could rebuild the state better than Turkey or Indonesia. But we can't. We're too weak, too poor, too ignorant, too divided, too apathetic. We shall watch thousands more die and not blink an eye. It's Rwanda, Yugoslavia, and Sudan all over again.

    Benghazi: See IRS problem. Don't let it happen again. Move on to bigger topics like increasing income and wealth inequality.

    DPRK: Diplomacy and/or sanctions. No force. They're running out of gas and allies in China.

    DOJ: Feds are out of control here. Patriot Act enabled this kind of BS. Need more oversight, transparency, and punishment for those in charge.
     
  9. Dairy Ashford

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    Well, political parties are just for white guys to tell each other apart since Jews and WASPs started mixing; and unlike you and the other pet rocks*, I don't feel like repealing the Civil Rights bill, legalizing PCP or abolishing the public education system. F and S/C don't really work in a country this large or diverse, so statism's basically what's left.

    *Started in the '70s, no practical value, never really caught on.
     
  10. Hustle Town

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    Gay marriage: Nope

    mar1juana: Nope

    Gun laws: Nope (Except background checks)

    IRS: Nope. Cut in half and institute a flat tax.

    Syria: Nope. Not a threat.

    Benghazi: Not acceptable.

    DPRK: The leaders are insane, and they have made the people delusional. We need to gather as much intel as we can on their foreign policy. Their concentration camps are on the level of WWII era concentration camps.

    DOJ: Don't know what the Feds were thinking... Eric Holder needs to go. He is a typical, corrupt Columbia University alumnus.
     
  11. magnetik

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    Gay marriage: Don't care either way. If legal it must be equal to a normal union. Don't want either group to get special benefits.

    mar1juana: Legalize while raising money through taxes and cutting down on crime due to legalization. Win win. I believe alcohol is a lot worse on how it affects society.

    Gun Laws: Enforce the ones now and we'll talk.. then I'll still say no because criminals don't follow laws. (Unless catching criminals is not the true goal.. which would be to disarm legit gun owning Americans)

    IRS: Probably the biggest issue here.. but combined with the others it's nuclear. Former presidents have been forced to resign for less. IRS answers to no one and the public has no confidence in it right now. It's good that this came out regardless of which party your affiliated with. It should piss off everyone. The IRS was asking for some pretty crazy (and specific) information it turns out.

    Syria: It sucks for the citizens of Syria but we need to rethink our policy of being the world police. Along with the bankers defrauding us.. war is milking us (the US citizens not the war machine) dry. We're involved in too many conflicts right now.

    Benghazi: Not sure what to make of the situation. I'm sure some secrets need to be in place for "national security" but people died (makes things a little more serious) and the story changed a bunch of times with conflicting stories from witnesses that say they've been "silenced" Maybe the CIA actually was running ops (weapons/prisoners) through the embassy.. that's just what they do.. but if the rumor that CIA wasn't running it and it was the State Department.. that'd be a whole different angle to explore. That would mean Hillary a lifelong politician is making wartime decisions.

    DPRK: The regime there is nuts but most of it is rhetoric and chest pumping. (for aid most of the time.. for national pride the other times) The x factor here is Kim Jong Un.. will he be like his father?, can he control his military leaders?, will he be more progressive since he went to school in Europe and force change? Is he a puppet too? Too many questions here but don't think DPRK is stupid enough to start a war with the state that it's in. Too many internal problems like economy, sanctions, poverty, etc. This is proven by the US policy of going after countries that deny nuclear intentions for war purposes yet DPRK is probably the loudest country in the world when it comes to nukes and we basically ignore them.

    AP/Fox/DOJ: Bad news. Hope it's a wakeup call for other media outlets that they're being manipulated too and to keep a keen eye on your bed fellows. Holder went through two judges before he found one that would sign the papers. It's obviously two judges didn't think it was a good idea.. but Holder did it anyway. What else have they been doing and getting away with? Holder had the reporters mother tracked.. how creepy is that?
     
  12. Haymitch

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    Whether what I advocate would "work" or not is irrelevant. But then again, if statism "works" then maybe I don't want libertarianism to "work."

    I'll give you credit for the pet rock analogy though. Fitting because I agree it will never really catch on, and impressive that you know today's libertarianism started in the 70s - I doubt most self-professed libertarians even know that.
     
  13. da_juice

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    Not quite sure where I fall on the spectrum.

    Gay Marriage: Allow homosexual couples to receive the same govt rights and benefits as heteros, but don't force religious groups to recognize them. You (should) have every right to be a bigot.

    mar1juana: Legalize it, regulate it like tobacco.

    Guns: Background checks enforced nationally, other restrictions based on locality. Oklahoma and Manhattan are too different to have the same gun laws.

    IRS/Tax Code: Simplify the whole damn thing. I'm not saying to have a flat tax, but it shouldn't be so ****ing complicated.

    Patriot Act: Repeal it.

    Syria: I'm torn on this. It's a messy situation, one we probably shouldn't be involved in. Assad's an Iran ally, but without him there's bound to be ethnic cleansing. I feel like everyone decision is the wrong one. As of right now, I'd stay course (as painful as that is for me to say. I have a childhood friend living in Lattakia right now).

    DPRK: Don't worry about it, mantain current course. No one benefits from a conflict, so none will happpen. If it wasn't a logistics nightware,I'd be open to invading it.

    Benghazi: State Department ****up. Embassy attacks are nothing new, not sure why we're pretending they are.

    I don't like democracy or capitalism, but I concede that I have yet to find anything better. Ideally, for an economic system, I'd like something with a bit more social mobility (both ways).
     
  14. Hustle Town

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    Based on your comments, you are definitely on the liberal (leftist) side of the ideological spectrum.
     
  15. da_juice

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    Well yeah, I think that's plain to anyone who's read my posts.

    I'm curious as to where I fall within the sub-spectrum of liberalism.

    Oh, and does anyone else's political views sometimes change with their mood? Because when I'm in a particularly bad mood, I get very statist.
     
  16. Haymitch

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    Sounds about right, and explains the mindset of many statists.
     
  17. percicles

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    All for

    Missionary

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    Sometimes but not always Anne Hathaway
     
  18. cml750

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    Gay marriage: As a Christian, I do not support gay marriage at all.

    mar1juana: I have no problem with regulated legalization.

    Gun laws: there should be background checks but taking guns out of law abiding citizens hands will not lower gun crimes. Just look no farther than Chicago for proof.

    IRS: Huge scandal. Quickly proving that this is the one of the most inept and/or corrupt administrations EVER.

    Syria: There will no good outcome to this situation.

    Benghazi: Just another example of how completely and totally inept the executive branch has been under Obama

    DPRK: Crazy blowhards

    DOJ: Eric Holder is the worst AG ever and has turned the DOJ into the Department of Injustice

    Abortion: = MURDER
     
  19. Haymitch

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    /thread

    It'sovergohome- Dirk
     
  20. RedRedemption

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    I support full on Communism and nominate Obama Dear Leader for Life.
    I consider myself a moderate, maybe leaning a little to the right.
     

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