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The NBA’s most lopsided 1-way players: Offensive edition

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  1. Harden's beard

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    and you just admitted that you don't watch every game, let alone even a video to the end when forming an opinion on players. no wonder you are so ignorant.
     
  2. wekko368

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    So your stats are more conclusive than video proof? :rolleyes:

    Ever heard the phrase "a picture is worth a thousand words"? There's a reason for that.
     
  3. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    Because it shows that Lillard does not guard Paul and is hidden on lesser players, which is precisely what happened here.

    http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0041500172/playbyplay/#play9~
    Here's the video box score for Game 2 - sadly hte game 1 one is offline - I tried to chart the plays where they were both on the floor

    Griffin Lost Ball Turnover (P1.T1)
    http://on.nba.com/1QtMXxj

    Paul is being guarded by Maurice Harkless. Does not appear to be a switch.

    Redick 3PT Jump Shot (3 PTS) (Paul 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiEG6W

    Paul picked up at the top by Harkless again in the half court

    Redick 21' Turnaround Jump Shot (5 PTS) (Paul 2 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1U8gEL2

    Exact same as previous play - Paul picked up by Harkless. Are you sensing a pattern here?

    Paul 6' Pullup Jump Shot (3 PTS) (Jordan 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiGU6d

    Guess who was covering Paul - if you said "Mo Harkless" - you can pick up your Captain Obvious hat tomorrow AM at Will call.

    Redick 26' 3PT Jump Shot (8 PTS) (Griffin 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiIk0u

    Do I even need to tell you anymore who's guarding Paul? IF you're interested, Lilliard is indeed "hidden on...Mbah a Moute." - I will not insult you further by saying that guarding Redick is being "hidden" - considering it means you have to run off a billion screens and get your ass kicked.

    MISS Paul 28' 3PT Running Pull-Up Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1XiIVPQ

    Transition basket...so maybe somebody else...Nah, just fooling it was MO HARKLESS

    MISS Redick 25' 3PT Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1XiJucu

    It's pretty funny to see the exact same sets being run again and again and again - Harkless picks up Paul at the top, Lillard rests around hte baseline guarding the corner 3 from Mbah a Moute, ready to take the rebound.

    MISS Paul 12' Jump Shot

    Hey, at least Lillard gravitated towards Paul when Harkless was stuck behind a screener - so that's...something? Nah not really.

    Paul 16' Turnaround Fadeaway (5 PTS)

    It's NOT MO HARKLESS...yay, he gets a break, since he gets screened off - instead it's Al-Aminu on the switch, and Lillard swipes nonchalantly at the ball while....you guessed it, hanging in the corner doing nothing much else.

    MISS Jordan 3' Alley Oop Layup

    Transition - Plumlee gets stuck on Paul - Harkless makes a late effort to switch back , Lillard and Mbah-a-Moute trade recipes for Tuna casserole in the deep corner...again.

    Mbah a Moute Illegal Screen Turnover (P1.T2)
    http://on.nba.com/1YyNzrJ

    Hey! Lilliard is actually INVOLVED IN A PLAY, selling hte contact on a baseline screen by Jordan and drawing the foul. He's not guarding Paul of course, one guess on who drew that THank-less task one MO time.

    Griffin 3' Layup (2 PTS)
    Harkless switch with al-Aminu. I am starting to yawn. Please make this eye test stop.

    MISS Redick 19' Pullup Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1YyNZ14

    Up to 3 Blazer defenders at least show on Paul in this sequence. Though redick takes the shot and the fourth defender is involved. Lillard is....not one of them, again drawing Mbah-a-Babysitter duty in the corner. He must be bored. I know I am.

    Redick 27' 3PT Jump Shot (11 PTS) (Paul 3 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1YyO6Kg

    Not amazing transition D by the blazers here - McCollum tries to take on Paul by pointing, Harden/Howard style, Redick is wide open, Lillard is doing...something on the free throw line.

    SUB: Kaman FOR Harkless

    And with that, I'm going to follow Mo's lead and am mercifully done with this exercise.

    Damian Lillard guarded Chris Paul by design....approximately never, with first-choice lineups available.

    Why would you do that? He's a lousy defender and he needs to be preserved for offense. Stotts made the right call here.
     
  4. Harden's beard

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    it says words, not niumbers
     
  5. Harden's beard

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    let me teach you what 'conclusive proof' means

    DRPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12


    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
     
  6. Harden's beard

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    let me teach you what 'conclusive proof' means

    DRPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12


    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
    Lillard 110
     
  7. wekko368

    wekko368 Member

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    What's the point in watching a 15 minute video when the first 2 minutes already proves you wrong?
     
  8. Harden's beard

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    What's the point of having this debate when I already proved you wrong for a millionth times?

    [rQUOTEr] The most lopsided player by this measure is Damian Lillard, not James Harden. In fact, Harden isn’t even on the list because, shockingly, he’s not below average for his position.
    [/rQUOTEr]

    RPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12

    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
    Lillard 110
     
  9. wekko368

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    Really? You game 2 stats disprove my game 1 videos? :rolleyes:

    Also, can you stop repeatedly posting that wall of irrelevant text?
     
  10. Harden's beard

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    No, this stat and comment does

    [rQUOTEr] The most lopsided player by this measure is Damian Lillard, not James Harden. In fact, Harden isn’t even on the list because, shockingly, he’s not below average for his position.
    [/rQUOTEr]

    DRPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12

    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
    Lillard 110[/QUOTE]
     
  11. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    The facade is cracking.

    Conclusive video evidence would be something more like this:

    http://stats.nba.com/game/#!/0041500172/playbyplay/#play9~
    Here's the video box score for Game 2 - sadly hte game 1 one is offline - I tried to chart the plays where they were both on the floor

    Griffin Lost Ball Turnover (P1.T1)
    http://on.nba.com/1QtMXxj

    Paul is being guarded by Maurice Harkless. Does not appear to be a switch.

    Redick 3PT Jump Shot (3 PTS) (Paul 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiEG6W

    Paul picked up at the top by Harkless again in the half court

    Redick 21' Turnaround Jump Shot (5 PTS) (Paul 2 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1U8gEL2

    Exact same as previous play - Paul picked up by Harkless. Are you sensing a pattern here?

    Paul 6' Pullup Jump Shot (3 PTS) (Jordan 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiGU6d

    Guess who was covering Paul - if you said "Mo Harkless" - you can pick up your Captain Obvious hat tomorrow AM at Will call.

    Redick 26' 3PT Jump Shot (8 PTS) (Griffin 1 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1XiIk0u

    Do I even need to tell you anymore who's guarding Paul? IF you're interested, Lilliard is indeed "hidden on...Mbah a Moute." - I will not insult you further by saying that guarding Redick is being "hidden" - considering it means you have to run off a billion screens and get your ass kicked.

    MISS Paul 28' 3PT Running Pull-Up Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1XiIVPQ

    Transition basket...so maybe somebody else...Nah, just fooling it was MO HARKLESS

    MISS Redick 25' 3PT Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1XiJucu

    It's pretty funny to see the exact same sets being run again and again and again - Harkless picks up Paul at the top, Lillard rests around hte baseline guarding the corner 3 from Mbah a Moute, ready to take the rebound.

    MISS Paul 12' Jump Shot

    Hey, at least Lillard gravitated towards Paul when Harkless was stuck behind a screener - so that's...something? Nah not really.

    Paul 16' Turnaround Fadeaway (5 PTS)

    It's NOT MO HARKLESS...yay, he gets a break, since he gets screened off - instead it's Al-Aminu on the switch, and Lillard swipes nonchalantly at the ball while....you guessed it, hanging in the corner doing nothing much else.

    MISS Jordan 3' Alley Oop Layup

    Transition - Plumlee gets stuck on Paul - Harkless makes a late effort to switch back , Lillard and Mbah-a-Moute trade recipes for Tuna casserole in the deep corner...again.

    Mbah a Moute Illegal Screen Turnover (P1.T2)
    http://on.nba.com/1YyNzrJ

    Hey! Lilliard is actually INVOLVED IN A PLAY, selling hte contact on a baseline screen by Jordan and drawing the foul. He's not guarding Paul of course, one guess on who drew that THank-less task one MO time.

    Griffin 3' Layup (2 PTS)
    Harkless switch with al-Aminu. I am starting to yawn. Please make this eye test stop.

    MISS Redick 19' Pullup Jump Shot
    http://on.nba.com/1YyNZ14

    Up to 3 Blazer defenders at least show on Paul in this sequence. Though redick takes the shot and the fourth defender is involved. Lillard is....not one of them, again drawing Mbah-a-Babysitter duty in the corner. He must be bored. I know I am.

    Redick 27' 3PT Jump Shot (11 PTS) (Paul 3 AST)
    http://on.nba.com/1YyO6Kg

    Not amazing transition D by the blazers here - McCollum tries to take on Paul by pointing, Harden/Howard style, Redick is wide open, Lillard is doing...something on the free throw line.

    SUB: Kaman FOR Harkless

    And with that, I'm going to follow Mo's lead and am mercifully done with this exercise.

    Damian Lillard guarded Chris Paul by design....approximately never, with first-choice lineups available.

    Why would you do that? He's a lousy defender and he needs to be preserved for offense. Stotts made the right call here.
     
  12. wekko368

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    You can't win this argument. You're trying to use game 2 to disprove what happened in game 1. Reality doesn't work like that.
     
  14. Harden's beard

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    But you already lost

    [rQUOTEr] The most lopsided player by this measure is Damian Lillard, not James Harden. In fact, Harden isn’t even on the list because, shockingly, he’s not below average for his position.
    [/rQUOTEr]

    DRPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12

    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
    Lillard 110
     
  16. glenadyll

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    Potentially interesting thread destroyed by someone named wekko. I would have loved to see what discussion really would have developed if this wasn't just a series of nonstop name calling. Block time.
     
  17. wekko368

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    When people make false statements about player X in order to prop up player Y, I'm going to call them out on it.

    In any case, you're in luck. The OP is Harden's Beard, and he has a tendency to post the same posts in multiple threads.
     
  18. Harden's beard

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    that's exactly what you're doing wrt Harden, and I'm calling you out on it

    [rQUOTEr] The most lopsided player by this measure is Damian Lillard, not James Harden. In fact, Harden isn’t even on the list because, shockingly, he’s not below average for his position.
    [/rQUOTEr]

    DRPM
    Harden -0.77
    Lillard -3.12

    DBPM
    Harden -0.4
    Lillard -2.2

    Drtg
    Harden 108
    Lillard 110
     
  19. YOLO

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    you might as well put him on ignore. This guy and Harden might be worse than bobby and Dmo
     
  20. wekko368

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    What was my false statement? Please provide an actual quote.
     

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