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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. malakas

    malakas Member

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    Oh boy.
    Unfortunately my dear man, the advantage you have of understanding english better than me, is all lost when unedequate intelligence hinders you from grasping the meaning behind the sentences.

    But I won't lose any more time in pointless demagogic childplay.

    I have explained the situation quite well for those other posters who didn't know.

    For those here who are too dense or pretend not to understand it like you, perhaps all hope is lost, or there never was from the beginning, you can't make for a non existing nous afterall.
     
  2. malakas

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    He got them really really good.

    That's why the opposition just started gleefully laughing after a couple seconds went by and they got over the initial shock of his announcement.
    Bullying the bullies. Abusing the abusers.
    I rolled my eyes very hard at the excuse he gave..he wants the new speaker to come out of an informed decision , and not having new MPs being harshly whipped and vote for someone they may not really want.

    And it's a guarantee at this point that the next Speaker will be from a Remain party and will have to campaign to win the votes, on an agenda of continuing and even expanding Bercow's work ; making sure that the government is put in check.


    But two wrongs don't make one right.

    It is a real wonder how the british polity has been working all these centuries and the whole country hasn't burned down in flames.

    Not only there is no real control measure against the abuse of power by the executive, but even the whole institution of the Speaker, the last guardian of democracy, is just ruled by "conventions" and promises.

    A Speaker can come and go as he pleases and then the next parliament which is probably made up vastly different than the last one, just inherits him.
    Once again the only thing to protect the british public from a ghasty abuse of power is "being a gentleman" :rolleyes:

    He got them really really good.
     
  3. MojoMan

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    As expected, the UK refused to appoint an EU Commissioner to the EU Commission. It is through this commission that EU laws are proposed and put into practice. This commission is not supposed to be able to be constituted without 28 commissioners, one from each EU country.

    27 named to new EU Commission, with the UK’s spot unfilled due to Brexit

    European Commission President-elect Ursula von der Leyen finalized a list Monday of the people she wants working with her when she takes the helm of the European Union’s executive branch in November. Von der Leyen’s proposed appointments will give the European Commission 27 members, including her – 14 men and 13 women.

    The commission proposes EU laws and ensures they are put into practice throughout the 28-country bloc. Her team was based on recommendations from member nations. The proposed commissioners must be approved by the European Parliament — generally a formality — then appointed by the European Council. Under EU rules, the commission should have 28 members, including the president, one representing each EU member country. Von der Leyen is a former German defence minister.

    However, no British commissioner was on her list due to “the assumption that Brexit will happen on the 31st of October,” European Commission spokeswoman Mina Andreeva said.​
     
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  4. malakas

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    One of the most important position, trade will be filled by the commisioner from Ireland.
    Probably the worst possible choice for Johnson and the UK.

    He will the chief EU trade negotiator and will take the lead in the post Brexit uk-eu trade talks.
    Last month he said that Johnson is an unelected PM who was gambling with peace.

    So very bad news for the UK. No way now to get cooperation in any attempt to downplay the Irish concerns over the backstop and future trade.
     
  5. malakas

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    But this new commisioner and others from the EU, and the taoiseach and even Nigel Farage have said that Johnson has shifted his position in the last few days.

    It seems that the Irish Sea backstop, that May had to abandon to appease the DUP, is back.

    Johnson and the Tories don't have any majority anyway so no need to pander to the fundamentalists anymore.
    And they don't care for the union.

    The DUP is now very angry and their leader is having an emergency meeting with Johnson right now.
    So it seems there really is fire behind the smoke.

    Maybe the chances of a deal are real now.

    With this concept, the whole Ireland will have the same regulations and no border checks, and there will be border checks over the Irish Sea. So the whole Northern Ireland will work with different laws and regulations than the rest of the United Kingdom.

    Imo this will really harm the chances of the UK having a quick trade deal with the USA, because the very powerful american food and farm industry loby will not be able to get what they want- a relaxation on the rules on food safety, use of chemicals and animal welfare.
    Most , something like 70% of the UK food comes from the island of Ireland.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    Doesn’t really seem like the U.K. under Johnson tried to negotiate with the E.U.

    Nothing but the dog and pony show.
     
  7. malakas

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    After parliament voted the law to force Johnson to ask for an extension it seems they really started negotiating -> dropping some of May's red lines by selling out the DUP.
    But it started only in the last couple of days.
    It seems he will do whatever it takes not to be forced to resign.
     
  8. malakas

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    The Scottish court judged the prorogation unlawful today but the government still refuses to reopen parliament.

    It will end up in the Supreme Court next week.
    If Johnson is found to have misled the Queen he may be forced to resign.
     
  9. MojoMan

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    {Yawn}
     
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    A Scottish court has ruled the proroguing of Parliament is illegal.

    Brexit: Scottish judges rule Parliament suspension is unlawful

    Boris Johnson’s suspension of the UK Parliament is unlawful, Scotland’s highest civil court has ruled. A panel of three judges at the Court of Session found in favour of a cross-party group of politicians who were challenging the prime minister's move. The judges said the PM was attempting to prevent Parliament holding the government to account ahead of Brexit.​

    The establishment media is working to squeeze whatever enjoyment that they can out of this ruling, but there have also already been a couple of other court rulings that determined that the current proroguement of Parliament is legal.

    The UK Supreme Court is scheduled to sort it all out on September 17.

    When does the supreme court intervene?

    The UK’s highest court has arranged a three-day hearing starting on 17 September to join together all three appeals from the legal challenges in Edinburgh, Belfast and London. The Northern Ireland claims are partially being fought on separate grounds, relying on the 1998 Northern Ireland Act, which gave legal effect to the Good Friday agreement, which formally ended the Troubles.​
     
  11. KingCheetah

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    Yawn.
     
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  12. MojoMan

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    Agreed.
     
  13. MojoMan

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    EU leaders are 'tearing their hair out' over Labour's 'mad' Brexit policy, which proposes to negotiate a new agreement with the EU and campaign against that same deal in a referendum.

    EU chiefs are ‘tearing their hair out’ over Labour’s ‘mad’ Brexit policy and regret alliance with Jeremy Corbyn’s army of bitter Remainers

    EU chiefs are “tearing their hair out” with Labour’s “mad” Brexit policy and regret forming an alliance with Jeremy Corbyn. Brussels are stunned at Corbyn’s plans to negotiate a deal and then campaign to stay in the bloc and now feel they “made mistakes” by cozying up to lefty labour boss. An EU source, close to Brexit negotiations, told the Times: “They want us to negotiate a ‘credible’ deal and then they will campaign against it in a referendum? That is mad. How can we negotiate with people like that? Their divisions and magical thinking are as bad as anything the Conservatives produced — perhaps worse.”​

    This is real nuttery. The leaders of the EU leaders are surely eager to find a way to justify yet another extension. But they have claimed up until now that they need some sort of plausible reason for providing it. This pathway forward provided by Labour really is going to make them look bad if that is what they try to use as their justification.

    And if not that, then what? What would be the purpose of another extension, other than just to delay endlessly. As far as I can tell, there is literally no other reason currently being provided.
     
  14. malakas

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    Labour is just a party of the UK, completely not a factor for an extension. The EU is negotiating with governments not with members of the parliaments. Unless Labour forms a govenment and comes to ask for an extension at 31 October what they may or may not believe has absolutely nothing to do with the EU and your whole post is a sad grasping at straws.

    The EU may grant an extension to see what happens after the UK's election in November and to give a helping hand to Ireland but it's up to that.

    Btw dear Mojoman, Labour didn't even have their party conference yet, but here you are the insider claiming to even know their election agenda which even themselves haven't finalised yet?
    So... impressive...:rolleyes:
     
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    David Cameron - who resigned as Prime Minister because the 2016 Brexit referendum did not go his way - says that the UK now needs a second referendum because 'we are stuck'.

    David Cameron says second Brexit referendum may be necessary because 'we are stuck'

    Expressing dismay at the “blockage” of Parliament over Brexit in an interview to mark the publication of his long-awaited memoirs, the former Prime Minister said Britain had become “stuck” on how to resolve the issue and suggested a second poll may be the only way forward.

    “I don’t think you can rule it out because we’re stuck,” he said. “I’m not saying one will happen or should happen. I’m just saying that you can’t rule things out right now because you’ve got to find someway of unblocking the blockage."​

    The only thing that the UK needs to become 'unstuck' is a general election, which appears likely to happen before the end of this year. Once that is done, the blockages will have been flushed out and the stuckage will have been alleviated.
     
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    Boris Johnson repeats his October 31 pledge, yet again, during a speech yesterday to the Convention of the North in Rotherham.

    Johnson repeats October 31 Brexit pledge

    Boris Johnson insisted the political turmoil in Westminster would not put him off delivering Brexit by October 31. He also repeats that there will be “ample time” to debate Brexit, in response to the heckler.

    He told an audience in Rotherham: “We’re working incredibly hard. We’ve made a good deal of progress. I’m cautiously optimistic but whatever happens we will come out on October 31.”​
     
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  17. dmoneybangbang

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    Great. Leave and become a vassal state of the US and China instead of the E.U.
     
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    This guy certainly seems to sound a lot like Hitler near the end of his speech, calling for a Fourth Reich essentially. Yup, this just further solidifies that Brexit is a good idea. Independent Britain is better than being a cog in the EU dominance scheme. Get the hell away from these loonies.
     
  20. MojoMan

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    First consolidate into empires and then roll that up into a globalist dictatorship. There you have it.
     

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