Trump is no hindrance to an agreement that would actually cover both DACA and border security. That was NOT what was presented to him, however, and he rightly rejected it. It was political gamesmanship on both sides. The offer was made hoping he'd take it, even though it didn't really address border security: it was a minimal offer made hoping he'd accept it. He didn't, realizing that a better offer would be forthcoming later, as the Democrats wouldn't be willing to sustain the shutdown. Once an acceptable offer is made, he will accept it.
Explain what was not included in the two proposals. January 17 bipartisan proposal: https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/dreamers-bill-immigration-graham-durbin-congress/index.html Full proposal: https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps...n-framework-for-immigration-reform-report/27/
Then in Schumer's final proposal he is said to have offered fully funding the "wall" but the disagreement between Schumer and trump supposedly was over whether it would "authorize" the spending versus whether it "funded" the full amount. So again, the proposal appears to have addressed all of the concerns. What is most likely is that trump and the republicans have no intention of addressing DACA. Its likely that they will bend to the extremist position that any real solution will be described as "amnesty" and as such all talk of "fairness" is just that... talk.
And, according to Senator Coons... the questions re: appropriations versus authorization were even addressed: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...thorization-and-appropriation/article/2646614
Schumer played this about as poorly as possible. He either needed to dig in to please the hard line, or settle before the shutdown to please the moderates. At least he can now point to a promised time table for a DACA vote by the next potential shutdown. Unfortunately, the Republicans will try and continue to have their cake and eat it to. Pretending to support DACA (which is clearly supported by a large majority of the country including moderates), while simultaneously rejecting it to please the hard line. They may vote on a DACA bill, but they will reject it, and say that there were problems with it and we will do this cat and mouse game again. DREAM Act first came around 17 years ago, as a bipartisan proposal. It polls extremely well with the American people today. Yet it remains in limbo. It really disgusts me that Congress can't pass a DACA bill.
There will be no DACA vote. The Republicans WILL NOT keep their word Schumer knows this everyone knows this Its almost like he is in on it. . . . a dog and pony show Rocket River
We got plenty of wastewater plants and bridges to fix if we need public works. Drones would be much cheaper and effective for the price for border security. They come for jobs, that should be the focus not an expensive wall.
if they don't pass DACA legislation, the GOP might never get hispanic voters back...our community will remember their decisions for a very long time...also, as a Structural P.E., there is plenty of infrastructure work that needs to be done before wasting money and resources on a border wall....use of technology would be more efficient
Yeah....I'm not sure that's true. I personally don't care one way or the other they could go full amnesty so long as the border is secured to prevent the problem in the future but of everyone I know, the most strongly opposed to DACA are Hispanic legal immigrants. Those that I know have expressed very little sympathy for those who did things the wrong way given all the BS they had to go through to do it the right way. On top of that, Hispanics aren't like black people, they don't vote as a collective for a single party no matter what. They are a lot more individualistic than that and have a wide range of political views and aren't single issue voters. Even Trump got nearly 30% of the Hispanic vote which is pretty incredible all things considered.
I don't think the Democrat cave-in was too bad. They got 6 years of CHIP in exchange for 3 weeks of breathing space on DACA. Considering they are a minority in every branch of government, they're lucky to get any concessions at all, and it's only thanks to Congressional dysfunction that created the CR process in the first place that they had any leverage to do anything. Yeah, I'd like to have DACA; I'd also like comprehensive immigration and border security reform. But this is an historic low in Democratic power and probably not a great time to be able to achieve your party platform. If they get DACA 3 weeks from now, great; though it might not be so great when you tally up all the jingoistic things they have to vote in along with it. They might be better off stalling until after the election cycle. In which case, it's great they got CHIP off the table.
That would be an accomplishment if it wasn't something always on the table. There was really no reason to shut down the government if that's all they wanted. They wanted the shut down to go along with planned protests and they thought it would play better for them than it did.
Good point on CHIP, but apparently they didn't get funding for community health centers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...6316730fb0469e88402e7/?utm_term=.cccd2a4d8993
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The Democrats are screwed; as you said, they have no power - even if they're able to leverage this into a bipartisan bill from the Senate, that bill will undoubtedly die in the House where Paul Ryan is petrified of a much bigger, more powerful freedom caucus that is never going to pass ANY bill that is favorable toward immigrants.
Or even worse, they manage to get the Republicans to put together a bill on DACA that Democrats would be almost forced to support and Trump gets to take credit for it.....something that Democrats would hate more than any other outcome.
It depends on which type of Hispanic immigrants you talk/hang out with. The ones that "do it the right way" typically come from money and are usually the ones with resentment (or Cubans, they liked Trump). Of course they hold resentment towards poor immigrants. If you visit Latin American countries you'd notice their elitism. The only way to legally immigrate to America the "right way" is by paying your way in. Most Hispanic immigrants don't hold any resentment for those that "did it the wrong way," because most of us either "did it the wrong way" or our parents "did it the wrong way." I did it the wrong way and i'd do it again. The Hispanic community is composed of different types of people from various countries, so we are different from blacks in that regard, yes. However, if there is one thing we value the most, it's family. Don't mess with our families/friends. In this case, immigration policy affects Hispanics significantly more than blacks or whites. If there is a single issue where Hispanics would rally for, this would probably be it. Especially with Trump's rhetoric and the growing Hispanic millennial electorate. Of course Trump got 30% (Cubans skewed this #) of Hispanic votes. A lot of us used to be Republicans. Check out Bush's, McCain's and Romney's numbers. Lately however, the GOP is leaning more and more to the right. If this doesn't change soon, expect many more of us to either keep switching to the Democrats or staying with the Democrats for good. But the GOP is gonna f it up. LOL
