It means you say absurd things to trigger and confuse people. Your intent isn't discussion but to troll and confuse and basically flip the table because you know you have no leg to stand on.
And what do you mean by "evidence"? Do you need campaign ads of GOP candidates shooting trashcans that have paper signs that say "ballot box" on them with their AR as proof? Like what is "evidence" for you here in this context and what would it look like?
oh yeah I remember that. Stupid. I can’t believe they did that. Even if it’s good strategy it’s bad karma.
Republican candidates say won't accept results if they don't win. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...lection-denier-trump-2020-huppke/10521078002/ Others would even try and decertify 2020. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep...certification-2020-election/story?id=83794526 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/06/elections-deniers-midterm-elections-2022/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...tatewide-office-support-false-election-claims
again, as a general claim I don't see it. For example, I live in the second least populated county in New York State. There are some 17,000+ residents, 13,000 registered voters, of whom perhaps 5,000 are Republican, just over 4,000 are Democrats. If Kathy Hochul wins the statewide election for governor tomorrow, I see absolutely NO signs that Republicans are going to rise up en masse and storm the capitol to take back the election. I believe this holds for every county in the state. Moreover, I believe that this holds pretty much across the board, nationwide. Apart from a handful of windbag politicians seeking airtime and soundbites, I don't see evidence that "democracy is in decline." For the most part, 99 to 99.9 percent of the American public will be satisfied with tomorrow's results, and life will go on. Again, your mileage may vary. If you're particularly susceptible to being influenced by the mainstream media beating a pro-Biden, "democracy is in decline" drum, then you're going to see democracy in decline around every corner. Me, I just don't see it.
345 midterm GOP candidates believe that another candidate won a presidential election where government officials, media etc are saying that the other side won by over a million votes. Your anecdote is useless. This also completely ignores the attempts of the GOP party ramming in election denial sympathizers in key election oversight positions like positions of Secretary of State for each respective State or election official positions. https://www.newyorker.com/news/dail...o-put-election-deniers-in-charge-of-elections
More than half the candidates of the party don't accept the results of the election. The fact that folks in your area do is awesome, but doesn't change the fact that many don't. The fact that many don't care or even support this is one of the main reasons why Democracy is in decline.
It's funny. These anecdotes of individual people harassing campaigners etc has been a thing for centuries. It gives no indication that "democracy is in decline". It's the actions of major political parties as a whole that matters and when 345 candidates of one of the two major parties in a nation deny that the current president won an election where the government and media says he won by millions of votes, that's when you know democracy is on decline. When a political party wanted to go to court for the purpose of dismissing all ballots from the largest black voting district in the nation, you know democracy is on the decline.
I agree with much of this. Using the courts is a valid means to challenge the system. It isn't the best when the suits are frivolous, but it is allowed.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/2022-m...ialism-11667831612?mod=hp_opin_pos_2#cxrecs_s The 2022 Midterm Election Endangers Democrats, Not Democracy The party is in the grip of an ideology that believes the entire constitutional construct is illegitimate. By Gerard Baker Nov. 7, 2022 12:59 pm ET The man who told black voters that if Mitt Romney (Mitt Romney!) won the presidency in 2012, he would “put y’all back in chains” now wants us to believe that a Republican victory in Tuesday’s midterms will end American democracy as we know it. Perhaps, to be fair, Joe Biden is like the boy who cried wolf. That he fabricated a threat last time doesn’t necessarily invalidate his warning now. Or perhaps he’s more like the Trojan priestess Cassandra, endowed with prophetic wisdom but tragically fated by the gods never to be believed. Or perhaps he’s just a desperate and shameless political hack, not for the first time in his life wildly spinning yarns designed to scare people with lurid predictions so that they will vote to extend his own political career and further the ideological aims of his own Democratic Party. I can’t decide. You choose. To question the sincerity of the president’s rhetoric—and that of his party—is not to dismiss the challenge posed by the various noisome currents of antidemocratic sentiment and behavior running through our politics like the effluence of overflowing sewers. Refusal to accept election results, acquiescence in political violence, advocating extra-legal ways to advance a cause are all poisoning the waters that nourish democratic life. And it’s true there are plenty of Republicans for whom these are now routine political activities. But America’s democracy is guaranteed and protected by a constitution of extraordinary genius, complexity and durability. To suggest it is one set of midterm elections away from extinction is ludicrous hyperbole. It’s a long and tortuous way from a House Republican candidate telling voters he thinks Donald Trump won the election in 2020 to the dismantling of a 230-year-old order and its replacement with autocratic rule. This isn’t complacency. We’re all familiar with the role eternal vigilance plays in the defense of liberty. But it is central to understanding how dishonest and hypocritical the closing Democratic argument in these midterm elections is. It is, after all, the Democrats themselves who have become the most insistent evangelists for the idea that the very system that has protected American democracy for two centuries is not fit for its purpose. It is the progressive left—with the ready endorsement of the top figures in the Democratic Party—that wants to dismantle many of the most important constitutional institutions and principles that protect American democracy: states’ rights, the separation of powers, the independence of the judiciary, due process and the enforcement of the rule of law. This isn’t some fringe view or even merely a cynical attempt to remake the system for political advantage. The party is in the grip of an ideology that believes the entire American constitutional construct is illegitimate; that the Constitution itself was founded to preserve a hideous racial tyranny, and therefore that all those quaint ideas enumerated in it that have become synonymous with America’s republican democracy—equal rights and protection, freedom of speech—are all merely instruments of repression. Mr. Biden thinks he can issue laws by edict and then pretend they were passed by Congress. Democratic lawmakers tried to enact a bill that would have eliminated states’ constitutionally guaranteed right to determine the conduct of elections. Large numbers of Democrats want to reduce the Supreme Court to a politically directed arm of the elected branches of government by ensuring it has a majority of justices ideologically aligned with the political leadership. They want to eliminate the protections the Constitution and longstanding precedent have established for the careful checks on majority power in institutions such as the Electoral College and the Senate—institutions, by the way, that progressives now frequently denounce as undemocratic. Democrats eagerly supported the protests associated with the Black Lives Matter movement in 2020. Many of them signally failed to condemn the widespread violence that attended many of those protests. Some even offered rhetorical and financial support for perpetrators of violence. It is Democrats who believe the American democratic experiment has not only failed, but was an exercise in oppression from the beginning. For Republicans to make this case is not another tedious and empty example in political whataboutery—the endless process of excusing your own faults by pointing to those of others. It is essential to begin the urgent process of restoring faith in the virtues of the American system and repairing the damage to trust done in the past few years by Democrats and their progressive allies in the media and the culture. The restoration of that trust also requires the repudiation of election deniers on both sides—yes, Stacey Abramsand Hillary Clinton along with Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Greene. It requires also genuine national leadership, not unprincipled demagoguery, from a president who was elected in large part because of voters’ revulsion at rhetorical extremism, demonization of opponents and denunciation of dissenting views. The voters will surely send that message again this week. Listening to it, rather than denying it as illegitimate or denouncing it as antidemocratic, would be a good way to start restoring American democracy.
TIL that criticism of old systems that might have disproportionately benefited land owners is the same as saying .millions of votes are fake. In this theory of yours that Democrats are the ones subverting democracy by being critical of things like Gerrymandering or the electorial college, where was the attempt by them to toss out thousands of ballots and claim they are fake which in effect explicitly was an attempt to violate the constitutional rights of those citizens the GOP wanted their ballots tossed?
Lol I just also thought about the entire premise of this article pretty much would even frown upon women and African Americans being granted voting rights as that is subversion of the intentions of the founders. This article's logic implies that women in the 1910s were subverting democracy by wanting some things changed about the process. Apparently that's the same as literally saying millions of ballots are fake news.
Bingo! Democrats prefer soft language and hints and allegations DEMOS: The electorate are very smart and will vote their interest Me: No they are not and no they won't! Rocket River
Exactly treat them how they treat you.....the GOP lies, constantly expose their lie......if I were Beto I would take the Abbott ad about him lowering property taxes, chop it up and pause at each section with a TRUTH bomb ......use their own ads against them...... DD
