The day after - Clowney...or should we have traded down?

Watkins is the best WR in the draft, I couldn't agree more. But nowhere on anyone's board was he rated the number one prospect. GM's, scouts, and draft experts said there were only three elite prospects in this draft, Clowney, Mack, and Robinson. Plus, drafting a wide receiver in the first round for second year in a row doesn't make sense at all. Who do you think we are the Detroit lions?

 

I didn't compare Clowney to anyone. Was just saying not everyone can make that transition smoothly. And Clowney wasn't a hybrid in college... Jeremiah Attach, Marcus Smith, and Mack were hybrids in college (and Jeremiah is a BEAST... Would have rather had him or Smith or Trent Murphy).

And as I said in my previous post. It doesn't matter if Clowney is good or not. Because our secondary is trash. You keep talking about Romeo and Willie. You forget Romeo also had Law and a great safety in New England as well.

 

Greg Cosell disagrees with you. He said he would take Watkins #1. Even Charlie Casserly said an argument for Watkins can be made for the #1 pick (take it for what it's worth but he was dead on the money with Dre).

Watkins is one of only 4 players in history to make the AP All American team as a true freshman... Peterson, Faulk, and Herschel Walker are the other 3. He's also the only top prospect with no question marks. He's a movement receiver that can play any position on the field and can also take snaps out of the backfield.

A great pass rusher is never more valuable than a great wide receiver.

 

Well he went #4 and the bolded is completely wrong. There's a reason a player like Mario Williams (who is a good pass rusher) gets a contract similar to Megatron (the best of the best at WR).

Teams value pass rushing ability way more than a wide receiver.

 

this.

end thread.

we can speculate all we want, until we hear about an actual offer.

we took the best player in the draft. lets move on.

 

If having a great wide receiver is so valuable then why are three highest paid positions QB, LT, then DE. Additionally, if wide receivers are so valuable then Detroit should be one the best teams year in and year out. Lol, seriously Denver's wideouts, with the exclusion of welker, were anything to brag about before manning got there. How many first picks has New Orleans spent on WR prior to last night? Do you think Green Bay values their wideouts higher than Clay Matthews? C'mon man!!!!

 

Let me make this simple....

You hardly ever see a great WR in his prime on the free agent market unless they are knuckleheads (T.O. Randy Moss). DE's _ different story...

Carolina didn't want to pay Peppers but they held on tight to Steve Smith. Peppers is on his 3rd team and Smith just became a free agent in the twilight of his career. The Texans wasn't going to pay Mario but Dre is still right here at home. Mega hasn't seen the free agent market and neither will Demaryious or A.J. Green or Julio Jones.

The same applies for great quarterbacks and OT's.

Touchdown's are ALWAYS more important than sacks... That's why you always see good to great defensive players on the free agent market yearly (like this year) but teams usually hold on to great offensive players.

 

Say to Seattle who held the most potent offense last year to 8 points. Just because you play madden on your xbox this way doesn't mean it works in real life. I will say it again the highest paid positions are qb, lt, and pass rushers. You can't debate that.

 

my apologies grand veteran master, please enlighten me on hypothetical trade offers that you would have liked to have happened!

 

You're ignoring the fact that teams let great pass rushers go... That's what I mean by value. Mario got a lot of money on his 2nd contract but not from the team that drafted him.

Speaking of Seattle. They got their best pass rusher (Bennett) off the free agent market last year and he was undrafted. Seattle showed us you don't have to have all world athletes in the front 7 to have a dominant defense. In the new age with all the rules bent in favor for the offense and with mobile quarterbacks _ you better beef up the secondary particularly the safeties. Need two of them that can cover and hit. You're not paying attention.

Also notice how much Seattle paid Percy Harvin and he was injured. Arguably the MVP of the super bowl.

 

Don't worry about it. These guys are creative enough.

People freaked out about Mario in a 3-4 and he had one of his best years doing it.

The position that Clowney will play is nightmare for opposing QBs.

 

Seattle is the exception.

They got extraordinarily lucky with the good DBs they have drafted. That's why a really good DE like Bennet can shine because of that secondary.

EVERYONE in football know, you win through the trenches. NO MATTER what.

Your QB doesn't matter if he's sitting on his behind. So you need men to protect him...and on the other end you need men to go get him.

 

Arguably but not. Teams can't resign their DLinemen because their stock goes up and someone else is willing to pay them more. Your example of Peppers vs Smith does nothing for your point. How much is Peppers getting paid and how much is Smith getting paid?

 

"Clowney is the best pass rusher of the last 15 years" Warren Sapp

Easy choice

 

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I previously said the defensive line has to be strong (strong up the middle). And Bennett wasn't that good before Seattle picked him up. And Seattle's defense has too many none 1st round draft picks to call it "luck." The only big time 1st round draft pick on that defense is a SAFTEY. Just because the Texans haven't been able to draft and develop players doesn't mean other teams can't.

Hopefully the Texans can start.

 

Seattle showed that if you commit defensive holding on every down, the refs won't flag you for it.

 

They learned from watching the Patriots! :grin:

 

This makes no sense.