This drone was destroyed. Over international waters. And the US Navy motored right over to where the debris fell.
Iran is about to get hit hard -- the US has been itching for decades to at least bomb them and now they just gave us permission. Imagine how angry a huge swath of the population is right now for giving us the green light to strike them.
Iranian nation state hackers have upped their game since Stuxnet. It will be interesting to see what kind of cyber retaliation we receive if we do bomb them.
Not everyone believes your pro-war premises: shooting down a drone = "a green light to strike them" shooting down a drone = "they just gave us permission" No they didn't give us permission. That's your pro-war assertion. "A green light to strike" is just a generic pro-war metaphor. Explain how it's "a green light."
It doesn't matter if everyone believes -- the people in power do and now they can make some hard tactical strikes against targets they have wanted to hit for years.
To warmongers, the green light could be anything, a drone , some white powder. The thing is it is not given by anyone, it is always created by you, the war criminals.
Ironically enough, the President of the United States is saying it's "all going to work out." But we all know the President of the United States is a big a-hole, right? People have been posting, "Oh, don't you want the 'IC' running things, instead of the stupid President of the United States?" ("IC," lol. "Intelligence" "Community?") No, I don't want the spy and surveillance agencies running things. Remember the Russia story the other day? NYT: "The 'I See' is hacking Russia, but they won't tell the President, coz he's too stupid."
President's goal is to win the 2020 election, and in order to do that he doesn't want to be at war. Even if he has to look the other way while Russia, North Korea, and Iran push the limits with what they can get away with. He'll have a strong campaign if he's able to keep the peace, wrap up a trade deal with China, and if the stock market continues pushing for new highs.
For all the reasons you bring up. Not sure why you keep assuming regime change when that has already been ruled out as the objective of our policy there. So, your question isn't relevant to the discussion here. Given that regime change isn't the objective, any conflict would just be over their actions in the strait. We do indeed have an exact model of what that looked like, we did it before. Air cover, fleet cover, targeted airstrikes. Iran is well aware of this, and that is why they also aren't escalating it. This is basically a minor skirmish. Exactly like its one exact precedent, only less escalated due to Iran's learnings from that one. Why everyone is assuming, given this, that this will escalate into something major is what needs to be explained.
Was the drone flying over Iranian territory? If so, why do we consider shooting it down a provocative move? I would assume the US would shoot down a drone in its airspace.
US Side says drone was in international air space. Iran side said drone was in Iranian airspace. Which side was it? I dunno. Maybe both? Ie drone crossed into Iranian airspace a little and left but missle was shot and it tracked drone and hit drone outside ? Just a guess where both could be right. Sure hope we don't waste trillions of dollars to nation build another country + countries. Just waiting on the WMDs accusations to flow out
A drone is basically property damage. The hawks want to act like it's the good old days of the Cold War when a plane was shot down and a pilot died or had to be rescued. This is the "downside" for this new age of unmanned military aircraft when you really want a causus belli.
Well glad to see Trump is not too war hawkish. Seems like he is interested in deescalation. That's a positive.
The drone shot down is a huge high altitude aircraft -- there is no reason for it to be extremely close to Iranian territory except perhaps to bait Iran into shooting it down.
Reliably, CNN rushes out an opinion piece on how Trump needs to trust the intelligence community more. Wait: Trump failed to act on the word of confessed liar Pompeo? CNN must be disappointed! Oh good! Once the intelligence community agrees on something, even moving toward war, the stupid President needs to agree! In this case, we could encourage other countries to [withdraw from the nuclear deal]. And for the COUP D'GRACE: our intelligence community and "our" journalists will have to work harder to convince the President that Iran is BAD and will commit futurecrimes! https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/16/opin...lem-distrust-intelligence-vinograd/index.html Thanks for your opinion, CNN.
Why did usa pull out of nuclear agreement? Supposedly iran was complying? Now what? Personally my concern is iran is a more capable military opponent. Usa loss of life military AND civilian is completely unnecessary...and could drag out. This is a factor. They also seem like the type that would try to do stupid stuff like attack our power grid or water supply etc. Knowing it will be annoying. Think about 9/11 at the time and how it all slowed down here. Stupid acts by iran that affect daily life here. If they did that we would torch them but the idea of us getting attacked is a concern and very disappointing to think when its preventable as i type this. Personally I think iran should be allowed to rejoin the world economically with hard ass regulators and inspectors fully enforced against nuclear. Im sure iran would agree to that today and we can all move forward. What is trumps ask of iran? List of demands? maybe he can ask his buddy putin to help? What is trumps plan? "You say you got a real solution Well, you know...We'd all love to see the plan"
posted comrade Putin's stance for his compadre Maduro and Iran's leader in some other thread months ago but then today this happened:
