The Big Negative of Integration

So were the conservatives.

 

I'm sure if the poor black community put an emphasis on education like the poor Asian immigrants do, they wouldn't need rich middle class neighbors as role models.

Honestly who looks up to their neighbors as role models. I've known a lot of Asians growing up in crime ridden community housings projects and most of their kids ends up going to college.

 

You're proving my point with every post.

 

It's not really a cop out.

Conservative cancer has spread throughout the country via governorships, state senates, local sheriffs, judges, etc.

Obama and sixty Democrats don't control that.

It's not black people need to take care of poor black people.

Its people need to take care of poor people. Your fundamental misunderstanding of this, is a laughable illustration of part of the problem.

 

Offshore immigrant communities have the benefit of self selecting people that have enough drive/money/education to make it out.

My dad was an untrained fry cook with a masters in economics from Japan. Employers wanted Western accreditation, so he had to rely on his own community to make do. Americans have complained how insular those communities are, but it goes both ways. Much better nowadays, except for our penchant for singling out people who speak with accents...which I have as well.

Korean communities have a round robin system where families donate and give the pot to one family to invest in. That's where those jokes about laundrymats and convenience stores came from. It takes an incredible amount of trust to assume other families don't bail before it's your turn.

Do I think blacks or po wights should do this? No, because those communities are entrenched and have no active sense of belonging with their surroundings. With redlining and purposely starved government services, you just build bad blood. It's not about your neighbors as role model in the race against the bottom, it's about not being the worst of the worst. Similarly driven thinking of a "silent but angry" white Trump voter that an upscale or millennial Democrat won't understand.

Very Trumpian to sweep aside prior centuries encrusted context and assume that taking blame or responsibility is the first and last answer.

If you're really a student of racial integration and relations, read up on our treatment of First Nations. We've gone as far as breaking into their homes, tearing apart their families and relocating them to new foster families and apartment complexes. Lucky!

Did your one on one beer summit with Mr. Gates reveal that @pgabriel? That's a Trump inspired solution from the Good Ol Days.

 

No, they are not all poor - as you said, the middle class black people have just moved to other neighborhoods. You seem to be suggesting that the negative of integration is that middle class black people got the opportunity to move to other neighborhoods that they prefer to live in.

 

Do you just make things up?

 

Wo... wait, what? Seriously, back of up this claim. Where is your source for this?

 

Not even talking about educated immigrants. Take the Vietnamese boat people for example, there were no self selecting at all, a large portion of them aren't educated. They were refugees from a war torn region with no money. A lot of them ended up in housing projects, but most of their second generation is succeeding in terms of education, even though most of the first generation were in poverty and worked dead end menial labors jobs.

 

Any group that makes it that way deserves all the credit. I'm just weary about the model minority trope that discredits legitimately poor immigrants living below the poverty line. That group also has had a rash of cases dealing with human trafficking which shouldn't be treated as an outsider problem.

What's also understated is the community itself. Immigrants who have a choice between an American ghetto or a poor ethnic enclave that share many things culturally will likely choose the latter. That creates a positive feedback loop that would otherwise flounder with the lack of government resources. The community picked up where the government was lacking. All the benefits of quasi-libertarianism eh?

Except without new blood/work/money, you see all the negatives like the ghettos in question.

 

To some people, it almost seems as if this is exactly how T_J or his brother little_T would type if they somehow compromised or bought the rights to the account of former poster pgabs. They had a very long history of trying to antagonize pgabs, v1.

Now, I'm not suggesting that at all. Mercy, no! I'm just saying that some very intelligent people are talking about it.

 

I don’t care about that part.

You didn’t answer the question on ‘we did (create jobs) before integration’.