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The Answer: FIRE MOREY

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by davestrate, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Contributing Member

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    You're posting the same thing over and over and have been for months. Tonight you're doing it only minutes apart and in the same thread. I don't mean to make light of the disorder but it's like you have Asperger's or something.

    As for your repeated goodbyes, Les has been clear that Morey will be back next season.
     
  2. count_dough-ku

    count_dough-ku Contributing Member

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    How many first round picks have we blown? Dekker, White, Morris, the one we traded to unload Lin, T-Jones. Morey seems to be obsessed with undersized PFs.

    I'm not absolving Les of blame. He's been a terrible owner IMO who gets a complete pass from far too many fans and members of the media. But Morey does deserve some of the heat for this mess.

    We were stuck in mediocrity before that because Les is obsessed with maintaining the facade of being competitive instead of actually building towards title contention. But again, Morey deserves some blame for allowing talented players to walk or be dealt away. There are quite a few former Rockets contributing to playoff teams right now. Hell, we just got smoked by one of them in this series(Livingston).
     
  3. francis 4 prez

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    before the season, virtually everyone (this board, vegas, analysts, everybody) thought morey had built a 55+ win team. that was basically what he had control over. then something exploded in the offseason by the time the roster was basically set. at that point, about all we could do was fire the coach (not that we should have). we were basically just in a holding pattern at that point. morey for 8 years has shown he could build a team, one that played together and played hard. something crazy happened and unless morey was the one who did/caused the crazy thing to happen, then we should probably keep our clearly competent gm from the previous 8 offseasons who has a superstar and capspace and a proven ability to find role players with minimal resources and see what he does.

    otherwise we're just hiring someone else and hoping they know how the cap works, how to win a trade, and how to sign guys to decent contracts and not lock yourself into a mediocre team with bad contracts like a surprising number of gm's do.

    just like the year the texans went 2-14 when they weren't actually that bad and bounced back, it probably doesn't behoove us to blow absolutely everything up over what appears to be a one-off disaster of a season. change the coach, break up the harden and howard duo, bring in 5 or 6 role players (or however many we need to change the chemistry) and we'll be back on a solid path.
     
  4. count_dough-ku

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    Yeah, but what did the Texans bounce back to? 9-7 and 9-7. They went from sucking to being mediocre again. They still(until finally this offseason) had no regard for the importance of a decent quarterback.

    Now maybe this season and playoff series can be like the Brian Hoyer/Kansas City Chiefs debacle that the Texans went through. Maybe Morey will figure out that having guys who can actually shoot is a good idea when you're building your offense around 3-point shots. And he'll realize that yes, coaching and chemistry are important.

    But I think too much is at stake this offseason to waste another year on Morey. This organization really does need a clean slate and that includes the front office.
     
  5. francis 4 prez

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    obviously he has to get some of the blame. maybe he needed to read the locker room better or something. but the things a gm seems to have most control over, he seemed to do well. the thing that blew this team up internally is unlikely to be something he had much control over.



    people say this, but we've had a ton of decent players on this team the past several years. they can't all still be on the roster. do we wanna be paying parsons $15M or draginc $18M or lowry whatever? if we were, we might not have harden. or we might not have had the cap room to sign a howard (which obviously no one likes now but 90%+ liked then) and still offer a max contract to bosh.

    you can't just sign every decent player who comes through your team to a market-rate contract and expect to still have the flexibility to make those other moves. you stay competitive with those guys, then don't sign them when their big contract comes up unless they are already the core of a great team. most of these guys were the core of 45 win teams. you can't retain them if you want to have the flexibility to build a good team when the opportunity strikes.
     
  6. francis 4 prez

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    well that would be like us bouncing back to 55 wins or something.

    hasn't our chemistry been good until this year?
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    I think he might be fired, 50/50.

    If he comes back I hope Les puts a BBall guy above him.

    Otherwise we are not gonna ever advance and be a contender.

    DD
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    Dekker could still become a good role player and TJones is a question mark due to his bewildering run of injuries ( he was never the same after the nerve injury).

    Morris is in the playoffs with Detroit. Patterson in the playoffs with Toronto.

    White was a whiff obviously and there's others, but what team doesn't whiff?

    He's not terrible, that's silly, but he's not a top ten owner.

    Well certainly.

    I don't know what that means. There is no right way, you either get superstar(s) and win or don't.

    Would you be comfortable with Morris or Patterson taking up the money and spot for our starting PF?

    Livingston has been on like 8 different teams since his gruesome injury and has never produced until the GSW.

    JBB should have stuck KJ on Livingston to prevent the smoking.
     
  9. dmoneybangbang

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    Yawn.... Narrative Crew strikes again.
     
  10. BlastOff

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    I agree, minimally he should be demoted if not ought right given the boot.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    You can't build this mess of a roster, and hire a weak coach, and not be accountable.

    That just doesn't happen, Morey has screwed the pooch - he has to go, or have someone with a better idea of roster building above him.

    Rudy T can be our Jerry West.

    Even Mark Cuban called out Morey for his lack of understanding about chemistry...well..this is what you get.....


    DD
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

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    Morey didn't hire the coach, Les did. Why do you need to be dishonest?
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    Years of arguing with his defenders claiming coaching doesn't matter and that it would be perfectly fine to keep Mac...now they don't want to hold him accountable for adhering to that stupid claim---which I believe is the biggest reason for the downfall of this team.

    No disciple, direction, just a rotten product all around.
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    The Mark Cuban that broke up a championship team to chase Deron Williams and Dwight Howard....?

    Ironically... Cuban might have both on his roster 4-6 years after the fact on top of an over the hill Dirk and Parsons with his bad knees... I am sooooo envious of being tied down to that...
     
  15. dmoneybangbang

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    Ah... the coaching doesn't matter narrative... Another classic moronic clutch fans narrative.
     
  16. Kwame

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    I have been consistent in saying the rockets need to get rid of Maury for many years now. I'm glad others are starting to come around and see that he needs to be fired as well. He's failed plain and simple.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    No doubt, Morey built this team with an enabling personality - you have a bunch of players who are not accountable who blame others - and you have a coach he hired that is not competent enough to hold them accountable.

    Morey hired McHale, he extended him, he hired JBB, he let's Harden ride in his own car and not the team bus, he got Royce White an RV - this is 100% a problem he is building a culture where accountability is not top priority.

    Popovich is all about accountability, we need a very strong coach that will implement that, and we need a basketball guy who understands it is not trailing indicators on a spread sheet that build the knowledge you need to build a championship team it is the understanding of how players and their style and personalities fit, and a coach that can drive them.

    Morey honestly did a HORRIBLE job this year, IMHO, he should be fired.

    DD
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    Anybody that has the best interests of this team at heart, has been rooting for the team before morey got here, and isn't on his nuts 24/7 should realize that.

    He's a nice guy, but he needs a Jerry West or somebody above him. Too much unchecked power and arrogance. His biggest feat is being a ghost on twitter when its expected for him to show his face.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL. I love how certain posters need to be dishonest.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    That is so Right, Morey is a smart guy, but his arrogance and lack of understanding the human condition have led the team to this point.

    He is just not a good people guy.

    And think about this under him we have gone from.

    JVG
    Adelman
    McHale
    JBB

    I mean that is not trending the right direction and the GM is tasked with hiring a coach....that alone is fireable right there.

    DD
     

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