Why are people complaining about unspent cap money that we are going to use on Watt, Watson, and Tunsil’s extension? People act like they are going to be claiming that money. Stop the b****in
Not about unspent money here. Sent him to one of his preferred destinations You're paying half his salary to NOT play for you (WTF?) and all you got was a lousy third round pick that you would have gotten had he left? Get the **** outta here. Trading him for a third was bad enough. Then you decide you're gonna pay half his salary too on top of it? Great job Bob. Great ****ing job. You really showed him Bob!
I can’t even imagine what the conversations must have sounded like to get this deal done. I mean, did the Texans even negotiate at all? It’s mind boggling.
I think he got mad because he was being shopped around and that may had have led to the torching of the bridge. When he learned about the original trade to miami is when he decided he wasn't going to report like they previously planned and then Miami went to damage control stating they were not trading Tunsil .....but I really don't know. From everything I've read it seems like he really wanted to stay with the Texans but when their plans backfired he fired his agent and now here we are.
If Clowney really wanted to be in Houston wouldn't he had signed along time ago and reported to camp?
We don't and won't ever know. Rumors were that a better trade offer was being worked with MIA but Clowney didn't want to go there... Even if no better offer was possible (hard to believe based on what they got from SEA), its not clear that they would have been better off standing their ground and not dealing Clowney.
He may have wanted to get the most money possible and start negotiations again next year. The Texans weren't giving him what he wanted this year as we all know and a lot players don't report when they don't have too but I think there were reports of him planning on reporting by the 3rd or 4th preseason game.
Looking at the Tunsil trade, O'Brien was willing to overpay and sell some of the future in order to try and win now. Makes sense since he's a coach who could get fired and never see the benefit of those picks. But what was he getting for Clowney to help the team win now? Nothing. O'Brien just flat **** wanted Clowney off this team. This was personal. This was the O'Brien who wanted to cut Mallett before the Miami game, leaving us without a backup QB.
What you should be asking is why didn’t the Texans try to move him when they had leverage and would have gotten a nice haul for him? The Texans waited until the draft (too late) and then were offered too little. They knew leverage was gone. Instead of then going back to Clowney and smoothing it over and having him play for the franchise tag and then getting a #3 for him when he leaves... the Texans continued to try to trade him and ultimately traded him for what they would have gotten. So they lost a year of Clowney for NOTHING because of their complete incompetence.
Oh, I dunno: renegotiate this year's deal for Clowney, giving him a no-trade clause for this year, and nearly all of the tag amount (or more, if allowed by the CBA). That sounds better than what happened. Reports were that he wanted to play here; he just didn't want to get traded to a team he didn't like. So give that to him. If Clowney still said no, then let him rot at home. The Texans would still get a 3rd at the end of the year when he left anyway. Or are the two players they sent back that important to the Texans? Instead, it really looks like BoB made it personal and acted out of emotion. It'd be nice if there was a person there on Kirby, whose job it was to manage personnel decisions, and maybe provide a cooler head in negotiations. Like most every other NFL team had.
I'd say, on average, NFL teams lose players they ultimately don't think are worth long term deals for nothing... more often than they get something back in trade. Plenty more guys get traded in baseball and basketball due to "expiring deals"... just never been a thing in the NFL. The vast majority of the time, if a team wants to keep you, they keep you... and if they don't think you're worth it, we have situations like this (or Bell last year, or Gordon this year). There's no doubt that Clowney is a talented player... I just don't know what system fits him skillset the best. I do not think he made anybody else better, whereas peak Watt has been able to elevated a lines play almost single-handedly.
Who said they didn't? Its easy to say they should have traded him earlier... but it does take another team for it to happen. And why would that other team bend over backwards then... when there's a scenario that if they wait, you have what just happened? In the end, its clear they didn't care about losing Clowney... and didn't really figure he was fitting into this scheme long-term (or even currently).
Let Clowney stay at home and get a third for him at the end of the year is a better option than the trade they just dealt. I bet he would have laced up and played anyways, to make his big contract next year and to get paid this year. I think players saw Bell lose out on money with Pittsburgh and are wary of staying home. Heck, wait until later in the year when a contender has their stud DE go down with injury...then trade him for some value.
Imagine being so cheap stubborn and petty that you will actually pay extra to be cheap stubborn and petty
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/01/n...-claims-trades-laremy-tunsil-jadeveon-clowney Herein lies the crux of the Texans trading Jadeveon Clowney to Seattle—will pass-rusher Barkevious Mingo and LB Jacob Martin be worth moving on from Clowney? Had Houston allowed Clowney to play the year out, they likely would have reaped a 2021 third-round comp pick for letting him walk next spring. That means that Houston is essentially trading 16 games of Clowney for Mingo and Martin (and getting that third-rounder a year earlier). And for a team clearly in win-now mode, with QB Deshaun Watson still on his rookie deal, losing those 16 games of Clowney is yielding value. Meanwhile, the Seahawks will either sign Clowney long-term or get that third-rounder back in 2021. Martin, who Seattle really liked, became expendable with the emergence of rookie Cody Barton. And Clowney, of course, will be more than adequate in replacing what team loses in the journeyman Mingo.
