Sticking to the plan is a mentality, if you can't do it in the easy game of college, fat chance you can do it in the pros. Especially considering defenses are considerably faster in the pros. 1. Yes Manziel can create in both environments, but if you have a clean pocket, you need to stick to the plan. You don't get away with that in the pros 2. Yes Manziel has 3 NFL caliber wrs to chuck and jive with but that simply doesn't work in the pros I think you can make the argument that if Manziel was drafted in the 2012 he would be no more than 4th 0r 5th round pick. Heck Russell Wilson was tiers better than him coming out and he was a 3rd round pick. Bridgewater would still be picked in the 1st if not top 5-10
I would love to have Clowney with the #1 pick, but if we go QB: Bridgewater might be the best choice for this team. Manziel->is RG3 with ok speed; and i think his speed is neutralized in the NFL. Good DBs wont miss, and he will get chased down by more athletic DEs and LBs. He will not be able to effectively scramble like he did at A&M. Has a magic factor, but his effectiveness will not be immediate. Bortles->Seeing his highlights reminds me of a Philip Rivers with speed. I still dont trust his recognition, and looks like he throws before analyzing field situations. He has a canon arm, and can make all the long throws. He tends to place the ball behind receivers a bit, but that can improve with time. I think he will be fine in the NFL, but dont know if I would invest the #1 pick on him. Bridgewater->Bridgewater is the most polished QB in this class for a reason. After watching a ton of his stuff, I genuinely believe that all the other talk about other prospects is just that. Bridgewater will be the first QB taken off the board. He is patient, doesnt risk what he doesnt see. Has deceptive speed, and great pocket presence. He can take a hit and still deliver. His timing and anticipation makes him the best QB choice. His skills directly translate into a successful NFL QB. Whether he will be a star will be based on his work ethic and focus, but nothing about his past raises any doubts.
Bortles gets too much credit for his arm strength, I think he is third in arm strength behind Manziel and Bridgewater
Actually RG3 has proved he can take a hit time and time again on the NFL level because he's been hit time and time again on the NFL level.
Remember, many players can look good when playing such a low SoS like Louisville did. Need to dig deeper.
The SoS myth has been thoroughly debunked by scouts everywhere. It doesn't help to bring it up as an argument tool
Yeah we should ask Matt Ryan. Joe Flacco, Ben Roethlisberger, and Colin Kaepernick how much SOS affected their jump from the minors to the major league.
And also was the soul reason his team made the playoffs. What has Sam Bradford done since he's been in the league... Or Stafford for that matter.
Bigtexxx's "arguments" consist of short one liners, sweeping generalizations, lack of detail, and nothing substantive. You offer absolutely nothing to the table in this debate, all you do is repeat concerns about Bridgewaters size and level of competition in one sentence. If this debate were a boxing match, texxx would have lost by TKO in the 1st round.
Who you play, who you play with, where you play, what you do, the stats you put up, winning Heismans - that **** doesn't matter when it comes to evaluating QB's. You have guys like Matt Cassel never playing a single snap in college winning games in the pros and guys like VY eating chicken wings with a gun in his hand. The only thing that matters is if you can play.
Not necessarily seeing how not many quarterbacks in recent history have been drafted with the #1 overall pick who played a weak S.O.S. It doesn't mean they won't succeed on the next level _ teams just don't usually take the risk of drafting them with the #1 pick.
Tony Romo is another.... And these are just a handful of samples from lower level colleges (sports wise) that these players attended. You can look at the guys that came from schools a notch above these, like: Aaron Rodgers Drew Brees Russell Wilson Phillip Rivers Michael Vick Nick Foles etc. You can go on and on. The conferences these guys played in weren't powerhouses by any means yet they still fond success in the NFL. My point, regardless of anything else, if you have talent and focus you can definitely make it in the NFL no matter what school you attended.
