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Taylor = Fatty

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Jeff, May 9, 2002.

  1. Achebe

    Achebe Contributing Member

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    ZRB, you're manic.

    didn't feigey talk about mo being beefcake in a good way a few mos ago? wha... did all of that turn to goo or something? a bit of an earthquake while he was in the tub and liquefaction made him fat? weird

    i'll pretend to be a dubious homer so i fit into the oh so elite mold of 'fan' (i.e. act like a sunshine ass) but you could tell mo has totally changed... look at the closing team photo on the rockets web site, the guy is a pile of lard.

    the guy had known weak achilles, gets signed for big dough when he can't rebound and now insult to injury has him 70 lbs overweight. great. i've always wanted rudy to succeed, but he and carroll hung themselves out to dry big time with their acquisitions last summer... mo then glen, mary mother of god FIRE THIS GUY LES.
     
  2. NJRocket

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    Jeff...you and I have sparred (in a good hearted way) about Mo in the past. In all honesty, I dont hate the guy contrary to how my criticism of him comes out. I truly DO want to see him succeed given all the money and years we have spent on him. I say all the time that I hope he proves me wrong. If he comes back in tremendous shape and averages 18 and 9 or whatever, I'll be the 1st to post a Mo T apology thread and I'll be happy to do so.

    Part of my anger towards him stems from the fact that I follow hoops as close as anyone and this was the last guy I wanted to see the Rockets get a few years back. Then, to make matters worse, we decided not to even try to get Webber because we wanted to be loyal to Mo. ***DISCLAIMER...I understand that no one knows whether or not we would have gotten Webber, whether Webber ever considered us or whether Webber would have given his right arm to play here***

    I want my team to win. If a lineup of Chris Dudley, Bo Outlaw, Mo Taylor, Sleepy Floyd and Boubocar Ow gets it done, so be it. When I see a guy ,that I am not a huge fan of to begin with, go about his job (yes, rehab is now his job) as if it didnt matter, it infuriates me...and the fact that its MO infuriates me ever more. If it didn't affect my favorite team, I would care less if he swallowed Tony Gwynn...but it does and he may have.
     
  3. rimbaud

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    Is this the one you are talking about...from April?:

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    To me, he doesn't look 70 pounds bigger than before. Bigger, sure...but 70 pounds?
     
  4. Sonny

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    Is the floor uneven???

    Langhi looks like a giant in that picture! :eek:


    He looks like he is almost the same height as Willis and Collier.
     
  5. JoeBarelyCares

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    That picture is proof that MoT is only an inch taller than KT!

    And TMo might be taller than EG!
     
  6. RunninRaven

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    Well, Willis and Collier are 7 foot and Langhi is 6'11"....so I think the picture is accurate. It's a damn shame Langhi couldn't succeed for this team, and a SF with that kind of height would have been nice.
     
  7. BTM

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    How can a source be wrong as to whether someone is fat or not? They either are a fatty or they aren't.

    I've never been a Mo backer and this is just gravy.
     
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    Well the source could be wrong in how much overweight Taylor is...
     
  9. Tmo

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    Terence looks slightly taller than EG in that pic
     
  10. heypartner

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    I suspected that Griffin wasn't 6'10. He just never really looked it.

    That picture is so confirmation that Maurice is NOT significantly taller than Kenny. Can you all see that? Plus, Kenny runs on his toes all the time. On the floor, he is the same height, and a quicker jumper.

    Kenny will KICK his ass. +70 ilbs, +20ilbs, perfect condition...it doesn't matter, because Kenny is already in peak form and can practice full out now. Kenny is going to kick Mo's ass. Kenny gets the start on the first 5 games, anyhow. And we all know that because of the suspension. If Griffin needs to start, then they will start together.

    MoT is toast by the Raging Bull next year. Toast! MoT is the Corliss Williamson gunner off the bench, an excellent role player just like Kenny, but the defender/rebounder better low post player will get the nod with Griffin.

    <b>Achebe,</b>

    Do you realize that the league does not suspend someone for pot until the 3rd violation, and they keep it a secret. Meaning that Les signed that contract not knowing Maurice had tested positive twice before.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Langhi just has an extremely long neck. Otherwise he would be more or less the same height as Kenny T. Griffin is not standing just as straight as most of the others.
     
  13. heypartner

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    Mo runs on his heels, that's why he got the mad achilles heels disease.
     
  14. DVauthrin

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    HP,

    I respect your infinite knowledge on basketball offenses, but KT is not a better fit for US.

    I watched a lot of games this year and Kenny had to use his one on one foot speed to score. His jumper is nowhere near as good as Mo's.

    In fact, I almost cringe every time he puts it up.

    Is Kenny improving yes, but I really am starting to hate everyone bashing Mo for having an accidental injury and immediately jump on the guy for a report that has no confirmation.

    Mo, if healthy, is a better fit for our excellent penetrating backcourt than, Kenny who has to have the ball in his hands all the time to score.

    Do I think KT is a good player? YES. Do I think he is starter material for us or any other team in the league? Likely not.

    That's why I'm all for trading him for a good defensive center while his stock is high, because while I'd love him to be happy as a 6th man, it likely won't happen.

    I almost wish Clutch had left out that part of the report, not because I don't want the truth(I am a broadcast Journalism-sports major at UT), but because this forum has gone from being great before the season to see who we should trade first for crap, or overreact at the first sign of trouble from most people.

    That's not a knock on Clutch or the administrators but losing seems to have a bad effect on this forum, and in my honest opinion, way too pronounced.
     
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    I didn't bash Mo for being fat. Look, we are on the 4th page here. Had I bought into all this stuff and rushed to bash him, I would have done it by now. Do you think I'm shy???

    Fatty or not, I think Kenny is the better player that Mo in 2001 and Mo has no chance improving faster than Kenny for next fall. Tough break, but what are you going to do.

    Kenny gets the start for the 1st 5 games, and we'll just see if Mo can displace him. imo, Rudy will learn to make Mo a designated shooter off the bench to complement Griffin and SFs. Kenny will remain the starter until there comes a time to make a decision on Griffin. Griffin will start with Kenny if need be, while Rice/Mo will come out together.

    that is my guess, and my opinion on what is a best fit for the rockets. Kenny just brings so much more to the table than Mo, and I don't subscribe to the Kenny needs the rock more than Mo theory since nearly every game last year we ISO'd Mo in the first 3-5 positions until he picked up his 2nd foul at the 8 minute mark. Kenny runs the PnR a lot.

    Why start the designated shooter vs the low post/defender/rebounder who can ISO and PnR just as well.

    Kenny blew me away this year. Can you tell? I'm not bashing Mo.
     
  16. NJRocket

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    Looks like confirmation to me.

    DV...1st lesson as a journalist is that the day you reveal your sources is the day you are looking for new sources. I just saved you a nice chunk of tuition. Consider it my gift to you. If Clutch's sources aren't good enough for you for whatever reason, then why bother reading or posting.

    I get more up to date news on the Rockets off of this site than any newspaper I could spend 25 cents on. I highly doubt Clutch or any of the others who help him out would take away from the integrity of the site by posting an unconfirmed rumor of that magnitude knowing the response it would get.
     
  17. Clutch

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    Since so many doubted this, which I can understand, I've tried to get as much information as possible since.

    From what I'm told: Mo is 65-70 pounds "over his playing weight". Perhaps that's not the same as "overweight" to some, and that probably needed to be clarified. I don't think his playing weight is 260 - I think it's in the 240's. I believe that is what he got down to last summer. According to this source, the 65-70 is ballpark, but pretty accurate. I would bet he was around 310-315 pounds - that was at season's end.

    Today I got some proof: I now have a photo of Taylor from the last home game, and when I look at it compared to a photo of him when he played with the Rockets, I'd say he has put on 50 pounds easy. What I'm told is Mo's ass is huge -- the photo doesn't show that (it's from a side angle, so all you have to go by are bare arms), but there's weight in his face and his arms are huge... some definition but harder to see. He doesn't have this huge gut or anything... he's just all around a lot "thicker". Described to me as "some muscle, but a lot of ass".

    I've shown a few people here at work here (who don't follow the Rockets or really even basketball) a handful of Mo action shots when he played with the Rockets, then this photo, and the average guess is he's 60 pounds heavier. The lowest was 40, highest 80. None of them knew about the 70 pound story.

    I can't post the photo for reasons which are pretty obvious on my end, but if you guys pick 3 or 4 people here that I'll show it to and I'll let them be the judge and post their estimate of how much weight they think he has put on.

    Source also added today that Mo has been working out with weights hard and is "down closer to 300 pounds" as of now. I don't think there is <b>tremendous</b> concern -- I don't think the Rockets lump Taylor in with Cato as far as work ethic goes. But when a guy can't run because of injury, as has been the case with him, especially a big guy, he can put on weight pretty easy. You saw what happened to Barkley when he got injured in 1999-2000.

    Mo just has a lot to do this summer.

    As for my credibility, remember: I told you years ago, way before anyone else, that Rocketman95 was an ass, and clearly I've been proven right in that regard :)

    <font face="arial" size="1">(I never said Shareef Abdur-Rahim was going to be a Rocket for sure - I said Vancouver made an offer to Houston involving Shareef ... I didn't post that on the board or site either until the trading deadline had way past. You just happen to know that story because I told you about it while watching a game at ShowPlace Lanes, and apparently you took it to heart because Shareef is "one of your favorite players".)</font>
     
  18. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

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    Was he caught smoking a joint in that clandestine photo of yours?
     
  19. Live

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    Hate to kick a man when he's down, but...


    First time I've ever laughed aloud due to something posted on CC.Net.

    :D :D :D :D
     
  20. JayZ750

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    This all sounds encouraging to me. I expect him to come into camp somewhere between his playing weight and 260, and given that it is a full 6 months away, I don't see why this should be a problem - especialyl considering as of a few days ago he was 310 and now he is apparantly 300.
     

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