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Supreme Court says no to military tribunals at GITMO.

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  1. losttexan

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    High court blocks military tribunals

    Thursday, June 29, 2006; Posted: 10:20 a.m. EDT (14:20 GMT)


    http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/29/scotus.tribunals/index.html

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    Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that the Bush administration did not have the legal authority to go forward with military tribunals for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay military base in Cuba.

    The 5-3 ruling means officials will either have to come up with new procedures to prosecute at least 10 so-called enemy combatants awaiting trial, or release them from U.S. military custody.

    The case was a major test of President Bush's authority as commander in chief in a wartime setting. Bush has aggressively asserted the power of the government to capture, detain, and prosecute suspected terrorists in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

    The high court was ruling on the case of Ahmed Salim Hamdan, a Yemeni native captured in Afghanistan in 2001, shortly after the September 11 attacks. He is accused of conspiracy, which his lawyers say is not an internationally approved charge.

    His lawyers argued that President Bush exceeded his authority by setting up military commissions to try terrorist suspects, whom the administration terms "enemy combatants," rather than prisoners of war. The term means the suspects do not have the rights traditonally afforded prisoners of war, as outlined in the Geneva Conventions.

    Three issues were before the high court: whether the planned tribunals are a proper exercise of presidential authority; whether detainees facing prosecution have the right to challenge the procedures of those tribunals and their detentions; and whether the Supreme Court even has the jurisdiction to hear such appeals.

    The administration argued the president has long enjoyed wide discretion in his role as commander in chief.

    The detention center opened in 2002, after the war in Afghanistan, and is still holding indefinitely about 460 men termed "enemy combatants" suspected of links to al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    The designation of enemy combatant also means the suspect can be held without charges in a military prison without the protections of the U.S. criminal justice system, such as the right to counsel.

    "This is the president invoking an authority that he's exercised in virtually every war that we've had," Solicitor General Paul Clement told the justices. He argued that the Guantanamo detainees are enemy combatants, who are not afforded the rights of prisoners of war in the traditional sense, since terrorists do not fight on behalf of a country or recognized army.

    Late last year, Congress passed and President Bush signed the Detainee Treatment Act, which ostensibly limited court intervention over the prisoner issue.

    Hamdan's attorney, Neal Katyal, told the justices, "If you adopt the government's reading here, they have said they want to try 75 military commission cases or so in the first wave, you will then be left with 75 trials that take place without even the most basic question of what the parameters are that these commissions are operating under."

    Katyal said the government's charge of conspiracy against Hamdan is not allowed under international standards of law for prisoners of war, and that earlier federal courts had rejected that standard as well, since it was too broadly defined.

    President Bush on Wednesday said he was considering shutting the overseas prison at Guantanamo, and was to decide after the court made its decision. "I'd like to end Gitmo, like it to be over with," he said at a European Union summit in Vienna.

    "One of the things we will do is that we will send people back to their homes countries. We have about 400 people left 200 have been sent back. There are some who need to be tried in U.S. courts. They are cold-blooded killers. They will murder somebody if they are let out on the street. And yet we believe there ought to be a way forward in the court of law."

    Many world leaders have pressured Bush to close the camp.

    Chief Justice John Roberts did not participate in the Hamdan case. He had ruled against the government last year when the case was argued in a lower federal appeals court.
     
  2. insane man

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    finally the court decided one case right. after that abomination yesterday about redistricting i had little faith.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    It's about damn time
     
  4. rhadamanthus

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    This is good news.
     
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    America gets a victory! Good job by the Supreme Court on this one.
     
  6. gwayneco

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    There are 5 jihadists on the Supreme Court.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Take them to Iraq and release them in the Green Zone. Wouldn't that be good enough?
     
  8. Saint Louis

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    That's funny. I figure today is going to be a wild one the BBS with everyone in such an ususual mood after the farce, I mean draft last night.
     
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    Overusing a word tends to devalue it. When the supreme court sticks up for our constitution, and does its job of protecting it, then it really devalues the word.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    There is a traitor in the Oval Office.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Don't you mean war criminal?
     
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    Both work for me. Traitor when it comes to the US Constitution, war criminal when it comes to the conduct of the War in Iraq.
     
  13. Saint Louis

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    He'll probably go free on the grounds of mental incomptatence.
     
  14. AMS

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    But even he would not have traded gay and swift for wrinkly.
     
  15. Saint Louis

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    Dark days, dark days indeed.
     
  16. mc mark

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    a josh post --

    If you're following the reactions to the Hamdan decision today, check out this follow up from Marty Lederman. If Lederman's right, outlawing the administration's tribunals isn't the biggest part of this decision. It also seems to knock the legal foundations -- if you can call them that -- out of under the president's legal arguments for using torture or quasi-torture as an instrument of state policy.

    -- Josh Marshall

    Here's the Lederman article.

    http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/archives/2006/06/the_common_arti.html
     
  17. insane man

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    mark scotusblog is tight.

    scotus
     
  18. mc mark

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    If we say it often enough, and if enough people chime in, it must be true.
     
  20. mc mark

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    Yep!!
     

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