Supposedly O'Brien had to be restrained from Brock...

Not forgetting it at all. As some in this forum would say if it were BOB, Schaub was Kubiak's guy, so Kubes must be at fault for whatever bad **** happened as a result. BOB also beat the Jets with Weeden and the Bengals with Yates, and went 9-7 with Hoyer/Mallet, yet Kubiak could only go 2-14 with Schaub.

 

Kubiak also won a SB with Brock Osweiler as his best QB.....so I don't think you want to compare Kubiak and BOB when it comes to what they get out of QB's.

 

Mallet was not under contract. If he didn't want him back he wouldn't have said anything. After all he doesn't get involved in free agency and drafts. Right?

 

Don't care for Brock and hated when he was signed here but the guy that broke the story from 120 was on radio today. It did not sound like he got the leak from Brock. If anything, he was more pro-O'Brien and anti-Brock. He was heaping praises on BOB.

 

I'm not even sure why we are doing this. Kubiaks worst year is worse than OBrien's worst year. Kubiak's best year has been better than O'Brien's best. Time will tell. All I am saying is that BOB hasn't proven to us that he is an elite coach. Not that he isn't. Maybe he needs more time. Or better players. But as of now, we don't have the evidence. He has been slightly above average overall and below mediocre offensively. Will he be much better with a better QB? I hope so. Until then, the jury is still out.

 

Not defending the coach, but is he mchale tier or better? 3 playoffs in a roll with the shittiest qb lineup u ever seen, either he must be doing something right or is there just too much talent on our team?

 

2 playoffs, and both making it with a 9-7 record in the worst division in the league.

The team had decent talent when he came in. One of the best defenses in the league and one of the best OLs in the league (not true of the OL anymore).

The QBs were his choices, he passed up multiple available guys

 

They were 2-14. Injuries to Brown and Newton mitigated the line.

Besides Derek Carr (who everybody passed on), who did they really miss on as being the savior?

 

Obrien gets a lot of effort out his guys so I give him credit for that. However, it's hard to say we have gotten more talented since obrien took over. Our talent has taken a step back probably, and as far as offense, his calling card, it's gotten worse.

You could argue that the Titans were better than us last year, and there is a good chance we are worse than at least them as of today for next year.

 

Any offensive production in the playoffs and we beat the Patriots guys, let that sink in. That's on O'Brien and piss poor playcalling and was piss poor all season long. The 2nd down runs up the middle for no gains were just baffling!

 

Garropolo and Prescott. Lynch we'll see. Bridgewater. Sam Bradford on the trade market (99qbrating last year)

 

Absolutely our talent level on offense is much worse. Worst offense in the league

 

Max effort, decent chemistry (minus pissy untalented QB's on their period), has command of the locker room (again, minus pissy QB's).

They still have a ton of talent on the defensive side, which coincides with the side of the ball that's better. XSF struggling and Martin getting hurt limited where the offense could have been... but if they don't have a QB, the offense will always look pedestrian (regardless of overall talent and play-calls).

 

You would have given up a first for Bradford? Aren't you the one who hyperventilates about trading 3rd round picks?

Did they really miss by not taking Bridgewater and Lynch?

Yes, Garropolo could have been had.... along with Carr... but again, neither was a slam dunk (and if they really wanted JG, they could get him right now for the right offer).

Complaining about Prescott is pure revisionist/hindsight bullshit, and you know it.

 

Its really the O-line... something they have invested high picks in. XSF struggling and Martin getting hurt effects the perceived talent big-time.

Between Nuk, CJF, L. Miller, Fuller, Braxton, Strong, Griffin... they actually have some guys who could put up big numbers. But again, you need a QB AND an O-line for that to mostly come together.

 

You can nitpick each one individually.

Bottom line is we passed on all and paid Brock$37 mil guaranteed

 

Yes, he gets max effort and seems to keep the ship together.

However, he was brought in to install a modern, up-tempo offense. He talked about "NASCAR" and "gameplan" offenses. He was a quarterback guru.

To date the offense has gotten worse (significantly so) and 3 years in we have no quarterback still and there isn't a guy on the team with any real upside.

He's a quarterback guru. He's an offensive coach. 3 years, 3 drafts. He hasn't gotten a meaningful prospect at the QB position. Through all of his evaluations he didn't find a single one, other than Tom Savage that barely had any tape at all lol, that he liked?

In free agency, prior to Brock, he went after journeymen with little commitment and got what he could, but normally that strategy means you are investing in someone to develop as well.

As to your mention of the trade for Jimmy G, every report that comes out now says the Patriots are refusing to trade him at all, but even if that's just smokescreening, they can get a better offer than what we could reasonable put together. They picked XSF over Jimmy G.

The overall talent level of this team has gotten worse. The offense is a joke. The creativity they talked about is non-existent. They are being saved by a good defense that is going to get worse as it gets older.

If Obrien were to quit today, what would you say he brought to this team? RAC and Vrabel seem to be the highlights of his tenure.

 

Well, yes... if you have a patchwork O-line (that's got an underperforming high 2nd rounder, and an injured 2nd rounder with talent), and you completely whiff on a high priced free agent QB, your offense isn't going to be in great shape.

Its clear what their plan was... build up the line unless there was a QB that absolutely blew them away enough to either trade up for in the draft, or draft/develop. It hasn't worked. XSF struggled, Martin got hurt, Allen was meh.... thank goodness for Duane Brown somehow coming back from a possible career threatening injury (while Newton did have a career ending injury) or else this line would likely have been worse than the expansion year line.

But again, as I just asked, who were all these mythical QB's that could have come in here and turned things around that they should have gotten? Even with the benefit of hindsight, there's only one that's really proven himself... and that's Derek Carr, who had a plethora of presumed baggage that the front office undoubtedly had to take into consideration.

Doesn't matter if you have a hybrid of Peyton/Joe Monatana/Unitas/QB whisperer of the gods as your coach... you still need to find the right combination of talent/work ethic/mental ability in a QB to lead your team.

 

And you can continue to complain about every move in hindsight... Kubiak and the 2-14 team is not walking through that door.

Meanwhile, supposed busts like CJF and McKinney have turned things around. Same could happen with K. Johnson and Martin.

There's a lot of "woe is me" and throwing the baby out with the bathwater going on here... things could certainly be better, but focusing on every possible bad decision (without even considering the good ones) is a sure-fire formula for painting the picture to be much bleaker than it really is.