Sources: Rockets have eyes on Jimmy B

DonKnock · Sep 29, 2018

Codman said: ↑

1. The Butler "saga" is NOT all about money. In fact, those close to Jimmy will tell you that the money may be fifth or 7th on his mind. Recall Jimmy's history of homelessness. Check his interviews and how grateful he is for just having a "life". The life he lives now is something that the majority of us will never see, but Jimmy's trade demand is NOT about money. How do I know this?

Salary Context: Jimmy has made some good money. It's not like he's about to receive his first pay day.
Easy Google Search: Butler, Jimmy CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / $92,339,878 BONUS:$4,600,000 AVG. SALARY:$18,467,976

2. This trade is about his desire to be in a winning culture. He has followed Thibs out of loyalty, but he will also admit that he has been in 2 instances of "cultures of losing". Chicago was a disaster after Rose became less than an All-Star, Minnesota has been a losing culture because of poor coaching and team morale. Wiggs wants OUT or to be the Big Dog (and he's isn't talented enough). Wiggs won't share that role with Jim and it shows on the court. (Or, if you are social-media-savvy, Instagram comments are telling.)

Minnesota has drawn a line in the sand. They are investing in KAT until Kat says he wants out, too. (BTW, he already told his bud Ben Simmons something similar.) Basically, Minny is imploding behind the scenes and JIMMY KNOWS IT. Thibs is pretending, but when Jimmy and/or Ant, Wiggs and glue guys leave, Thibs will be done as a coach in the NBA. He's toxic.

Jimmy is going into his prime. He wants to WIN. Period. That leaves only a few teams:
1. GS 2. Hou 3. SA. 4. LAL 5. Boston 6. Tor 7. OKC (Cancer made me miss someone, but the other teams aren't there yet.

3, Forget money again: This will come out AFTER wherever Jim is traded. Like Kawhii, he doesn't like how his injuries were handled and told many that Thibs/Minny Organization pushed him to play against us in the playoffs. WHY? One of your favorite terms: "Narrative." Minny had its first taste of the playoffs in God knows how long. Management wanted the city to be excited. And with that, they allowed their star player to clutch his wrist in pain for 5 games. Disgusting.

Jimmy was TOO hurt to play. It was obvious. But, he went out to play to give his team a chance because he knew:
1. Minny was done as a locker room
2. Thibs lost his players' respect (EXCEPT Jim). Jim will be loyal to Thibs for giving him a chance in 2 cities and seeing him as the hustler, the homeless talent who's work ethic may be the BEST in this league. But, Thibs didn't protect his "guy." He ran him into the ground, like he's done to nearly every top talent on his rosters. (**Rumor for another time: Thibs and JVG began losing their tightness over player practices and injuries due to practice)

4. You mention Obure often, strangely after Cyber and myself suggested that Morey had an eye on Kellz for awhile. Here's where you're missing it:

Any potential trade for Jimmy Butler has NOTHING to do with "Shhhhh." Rockets fans know this. Jim is a top-10 player, Kellz is developing into a beast. Jimmy pushes any team into contention. "Shhhh" improves a spot and has years to become a force. Simply stated, these two potential transactions are not related. EDIT/CLARIFICATION: In a three team deal,where Wash somehow gets involved and Shhh is moved, that still doesn't mean the Rockets were going after him all along. It meant his money made the trades work. Would I be thrilled to have him? Yes. Do we need him at the moment? Nah...Ennis, Melo, Tuck, Ego and _____ (fingers crossed)

Yes, my ears have said Rockets AND Suns have looked at Oubre for seasons. His salary is on it's first legs and he is a freebird. He is a Rockets target, but this is not new on the board. That doesn't mean he's coming here. As of today, he looks to be a HUGE part of Washington's minutes this season. I just want to make this clear.

****You don't do all of this maneuvering between 2-4 teams with the end goal to acquire a guy who is not yet an All-Star. Admittedly, Shhh and J.Green of Memphis are my favorite non-rockets ( with some Rox interest mentioned), but don't pair them with Jimmy.****

You don't need Jimmy in order to put yourself into position to get Shhhh and Winslow. Jimmy could arguably be a straight up trade talk for JWall/Beal/Etc.

4 (errrr...5): TO your "defense" Jimmy wants a bigger market. That doesn't necessarily mean money; That means exposure. Houston is a bigger market than Minny, as is, well damn, nearly everywhere. Jimmy just wants his respect based on his playing ability.

Jimmy may be one of THE FEW players who is not FIXATED on money. Why? Again...read up on his beginnings. He comes from nothing. The money doesn't legitimize him. He's got that. The respect and the ability to give back to a community, along with being a household name, for kids who grew up homeless or impoverished mean a great deal to him.

Jimmy is not like LeBron with the cash and he's certainly not like the former TWolve Spreewell with the money motives.

James has discussed Jimmy in an interview (look it up) where he explains how tough he is as a competitor, but he also describes his character as that guy who will give you the shirt off of his back because he comes from nothing. NOTHING.

/rant
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This needed to be clarified.

It's all love.

SideNote: It sounds like Jim is pushing to make TajMahal part of his own trade. Their brothers. If the Rockets can get both and not give up too much, we're deep. Taj is underrated, not only with finishing at the rim, but his PICKS and defense (weak side esp) is awesome.

XO

Cod

PS....sorry for the bolding lol, and if my tone seemed petty or inappropriate, my apologies. I just can't always ignore things that are beyond factual.

Speculation is cool...it just needs to come from a place of logic, tact and realism.
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This is so much to digest. This is incredible insight.

You’re too good to us Cod. GWS.

yixiixiy · Sep 29, 2018

Respect. Gratitude. And Love.

Codman said: ↑

1. The Butler "saga" is NOT all about money. In fact, those close to Jimmy will tell you that the money may be fifth or 7th on his mind. Recall Jimmy's history of homelessness. Check his interviews and how grateful he is for just having a "life". The life he lives now is something that the majority of us will never see, but Jimmy's trade demand is NOT about money. How do I know this?

Salary Context: Jimmy has made some good money. It's not like he's about to receive his first pay day.
Easy Google Search: Butler, Jimmy CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / $92,339,878 BONUS:$4,600,000 AVG. SALARY:$18,467,976

2. This trade is about his desire to be in a winning culture. He has followed Thibs out of loyalty, but he will also admit that he has been in 2 instances of "cultures of losing". Chicago was a disaster after Rose became less than an All-Star, Minnesota has been a losing culture because of poor coaching and team morale. Wiggs wants OUT or to be the Big Dog (and he's isn't talented enough). Wiggs won't share that role with Jim and it shows on the court. (Or, if you are social-media-savvy, Instagram comments are telling.)

Minnesota has drawn a line in the sand. They are investing in KAT until Kat says he wants out, too. (BTW, he already told his bud Ben Simmons something similar.) Basically, Minny is imploding behind the scenes and JIMMY KNOWS IT. Thibs is pretending, but when Jimmy and/or Ant, Wiggs and glue guys leave, Thibs will be done as a coach in the NBA. He's toxic.

Jimmy is going into his prime. He wants to WIN. Period. That leaves only a few teams:
1. GS 2. Hou 3. SA. 4. LAL 5. Boston 6. Tor 7. OKC (Cancer made me miss someone, but the other teams aren't there yet.

3, Forget money again: This will come out AFTER wherever Jim is traded. Like Kawhii, he doesn't like how his injuries were handled and told many that Thibs/Minny Organization pushed him to play against us in the playoffs. WHY? One of your favorite terms: "Narrative." Minny had its first taste of the playoffs in God knows how long. Management wanted the city to be excited. And with that, they allowed their star player to clutch his wrist in pain for 5 games. Disgusting.

Jimmy was TOO hurt to play. It was obvious. But, he went out to play to give his team a chance because he knew:
1. Minny was done as a locker room
2. Thibs lost his players' respect (EXCEPT Jim). Jim will be loyal to Thibs for giving him a chance in 2 cities and seeing him as the hustler, the homeless talent who's work ethic may be the BEST in this league. But, Thibs didn't protect his "guy." He ran him into the ground, like he's done to nearly every top talent on his rosters. (**Rumor for another time: Thibs and JVG began losing their tightness over player practices and injuries due to practice)

4. You mention Obure often, strangely after Cyber and myself suggested that Morey had an eye on Kellz for awhile. Here's where you're missing it:

Any potential trade for Jimmy Butler has NOTHING to do with "Shhhhh." Rockets fans know this. Jim is a top-10 player, Kellz is developing into a beast. Jimmy pushes any team into contention. "Shhhh" improves a spot and has years to become a force. Simply stated, these two potential transactions are not related. EDIT/CLARIFICATION: In a three team deal,where Wash somehow gets involved and Shhh is moved, that still doesn't mean the Rockets were going after him all along. It meant his money made the trades work. Would I be thrilled to have him? Yes. Do we need him at the moment? Nah...Ennis, Melo, Tuck, Ego and _____ (fingers crossed)

Yes, my ears have said Rockets AND Suns have looked at Oubre for seasons. His salary is on it's first legs and he is a freebird. He is a Rockets target, but this is not new on the board. That doesn't mean he's coming here. As of today, he looks to be a HUGE part of Washington's minutes this season. I just want to make this clear.

****You don't do all of this maneuvering between 2-4 teams with the end goal to acquire a guy who is not yet an All-Star. Admittedly, Shhh and J.Green of Memphis are my favorite non-rockets ( with some Rox interest mentioned), but don't pair them with Jimmy.****

You don't need Jimmy in order to put yourself into position to get Shhhh and Winslow. Jimmy could arguably be a straight up trade talk for JWall/Beal/Etc.

4 (errrr...5): TO your "defense" Jimmy wants a bigger market. That doesn't necessarily mean money; That means exposure. Houston is a bigger market than Minny, as is, well damn, nearly everywhere. Jimmy just wants his respect based on his playing ability.

Jimmy may be one of THE FEW players who is not FIXATED on money. Why? Again...read up on his beginnings. He comes from nothing. The money doesn't legitimize him. He's got that. The respect and the ability to give back to a community, along with being a household name, for kids who grew up homeless or impoverished mean a great deal to him.

Jimmy is not like LeBron with the cash and he's certainly not like the former TWolve Spreewell with the money motives.

James has discussed Jimmy in an interview (look it up) where he explains how tough he is as a competitor, but he also describes his character as that guy who will give you the shirt off of his back because he comes from nothing. NOTHING.

/rant
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

This needed to be clarified.

It's all love.

SideNote: It sounds like Jim is pushing to make TajMahal part of his own trade. Their brothers. If the Rockets can get both and not give up too much, we're deep. Taj is underrated, not only with finishing at the rim, but his PICKS and defense (weak side esp) is awesome.

XO

Cod

PS....sorry for the bolding lol, and if my tone seemed petty or inappropriate, my apologies. I just can't always ignore things that are beyond factual.

Speculation is cool...it just needs to come from a place of logic, tact and realism.
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HoustonCRT · Sep 29, 2018

Codman said: ↑

1. The Butler "saga" is NOT all about money. In fact, those close to Jimmy will tell you that the money may be fifth or 7th on his mind. Recall Jimmy's history of homelessness. Check his interviews and how grateful he is for just having a "life". The life he lives now is something that the majority of us will never see, but Jimmy's trade demand is NOT about money. How do I know this?

Salary Context: Jimmy has made some good money. It's not like he's about to receive his first pay day.
Easy Google Search: Butler, Jimmy CONTRACT:5 yr(s) / $92,339,878 BONUS:$4,600,000 AVG. SALARY:$18,467,976

2. This trade is about his desire to be in a winning culture. He has followed Thibs out of loyalty, but he will also admit that he has been in 2 instances of "cultures of losing". Chicago was a disaster after Rose became less than an All-Star, Minnesota has been a losing culture because of poor coaching and team morale. Wiggs wants OUT or to be the Big Dog (and he's isn't talented enough). Wiggs won't share that role with Jim and it shows on the court. (Or, if you are social-media-savvy, Instagram comments are telling.)

Minnesota has drawn a line in the sand. They are investing in KAT until Kat says he wants out, too. (BTW, he already told his bud Ben Simmons something similar.) Basically, Minny is imploding behind the scenes and JIMMY KNOWS IT. Thibs is pretending, but when Jimmy and/or Ant, Wiggs and glue guys leave, Thibs will be done as a coach in the NBA. He's toxic.

Jimmy is going into his prime. He wants to WIN. Period. That leaves only a few teams:
1. GS 2. Hou 3. SA. 4. LAL 5. Boston 6. Tor 7. OKC (Cancer made me miss someone, but the other teams aren't there yet.

3, Forget money again: This will come out AFTER wherever Jim is traded. Like Kawhii, he doesn't like how his injuries were handled and told many that Thibs/Minny Organization pushed him to play against us in the playoffs. WHY? One of your favorite terms: "Narrative." Minny had its first taste of the playoffs in God knows how long. Management wanted the city to be excited. And with that, they allowed their star player to clutch his wrist in pain for 5 games. Disgusting.

Jimmy was TOO hurt to play. It was obvious. But, he went out to play to give his team a chance because he knew:
1. Minny was done as a locker room
2. Thibs lost his players' respect (EXCEPT Jim). Jim will be loyal to Thibs for giving him a chance in 2 cities and seeing him as the hustler, the homeless talent who's work ethic may be the BEST in this league. But, Thibs didn't protect his "guy." He ran him into the ground, like he's done to nearly every top talent on his rosters. (**Rumor for another time: Thibs and JVG began losing their tightness over player practices and injuries due to practice)

4. You mention Obure often, strangely after Cyber and myself suggested that Morey had an eye on Kellz for awhile. Here's where you're missing it:

Any potential trade for Jimmy Butler has NOTHING to do with "Shhhhh." Rockets fans know this. Jim is a top-10 player, Kellz is developing into a beast. Jimmy pushes any team into contention. "Shhhh" improves a spot and has years to become a force. Simply stated, these two potential transactions are not related. EDIT/CLARIFICATION: In a three team deal,where Wash somehow gets involved and Shhh is moved, that still doesn't mean the Rockets were going after him all along. It meant his money made the trades work. Would I be thrilled to have him? Yes. Do we need him at the moment? Nah...Ennis, Melo, Tuck, Ego and _____ (fingers crossed)

Yes, my ears have said Rockets AND Suns have looked at Oubre for seasons. His salary is on it's first legs and he is a freebird. He is a Rockets target, but this is not new on the board. That doesn't mean he's coming here. As of today, he looks to be a HUGE part of Washington's minutes this season. I just want to make this clear.

****You don't do all of this maneuvering between 2-4 teams with the end goal to acquire a guy who is not yet an All-Star. Admittedly, Shhh and J.Green of Memphis are my favorite non-rockets ( with some Rox interest mentioned), but don't pair them with Jimmy.****

You don't need Jimmy in order to put yourself into position to get Shhhh and Winslow. Jimmy could arguably be a straight up trade talk for JWall/Beal/Etc.

4 (errrr...5): TO your "defense" Jimmy wants a bigger market. That doesn't necessarily mean money; That means exposure. Houston is a bigger market than Minny, as is, well damn, nearly everywhere. Jimmy just wants his respect based on his playing ability.

Jimmy may be one of THE FEW players who is not FIXATED on money. Why? Again...read up on his beginnings. He comes from nothing. The money doesn't legitimize him. He's got that. The respect and the ability to give back to a community, along with being a household name, for kids who grew up homeless or impoverished mean a great deal to him.

Jimmy is not like LeBron with the cash and he's certainly not like the former TWolve Spreewell with the money motives.

James has discussed Jimmy in an interview (look it up) where he explains how tough he is as a competitor, but he also describes his character as that guy who will give you the shirt off of his back because he comes from nothing. NOTHING.

/rant
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

This needed to be clarified.

It's all love.

SideNote: It sounds like Jim is pushing to make TajMahal part of his own trade. Their brothers. If the Rockets can get both and not give up too much, we're deep. Taj is underrated, not only with finishing at the rim, but his PICKS and defense (weak side esp) is awesome.

XO

Cod

PS....sorry for the bolding lol, and if my tone seemed petty or inappropriate, my apologies. I just can't always ignore things that are beyond factual.

Speculation is cool...it just needs to come from a place of logic, tact and realism.
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I love your posts, Cod.

ElPigto · Sep 29, 2018

Cod have you talked to your buddy Ne about any of this? I'm sure he will have to be traded if Tuck is kept on this team by some miracle reason.

zcarenow · Sep 29, 2018

saleem said: ↑

I never expected to get Jimmy Butler. EG plus Tucker and picks, can be easily trumped by better offers.
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no doubt, but teams that he preferred would rather wait till free agency to get him instead of giving up assets. Other teams won't give up much for a rental. this leaves the rockets.

Codman · Sep 29, 2018

robbie380 said: ↑

Basically impossible to add Taj into any trade. We have one salary that matches with Brandon Knight and there is no reason why Minny would want that extra contract year. In theory yes he'd be great, but it's just too much salary to match in a trade.
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I don't know how...maybe with an additional team or in a scenario where we don't get Jim, but depth instead.

Just passing along the Ear.

saleem · Sep 29, 2018

rocketseagles07 said: ↑

Tell us which offers those are? I actually think that’s giving up too much
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I think that's giving up too much, because it's going to hurt the Rockets. Other teams can offer young players in a combo even for a rental. Miami could give up Josh Richardson reluctantly plus James Johnson( a vet plus a young player) and a pick. Winslow plus Bam instead of Josh Richardson could be offered too.

jch1911 · Sep 29, 2018

robbie380 said: ↑

Basically impossible to add Taj into any trade. We have one salary that matches with Brandon Knight and there is no reason why Minny would want that extra contract year. In theory yes he'd be great, but it's just too much salary to match in a trade.
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ORL: Knight (HOU) + rights to Edwards (HOU)
MN: Ross (ORL) + HOU 2020 2nd (top 40 protected)
HOU: Taj Gibson (MN)

Do WHAT? · Sep 29, 2018

DonKnock said: ↑

This is so much to digest. This is incredible insight.

You’re too good to us Cod. GWS.
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@basketballholic - Hmm, I'm sure you'll have a rebuttal claiming @Codman doesn't know anything and that all of your statements and/or claims are legitimate. Damn, can someone assist with helping me find the ignore option?

Codman - Your willingness to share insight to our beloved Rockets is appreciated greatly. Rather cryptic or spelled out, I always enjoy reading your post. Keep fighting and stay STRONG.

DW

saleem · Sep 29, 2018

zcarenow said: ↑

no doubt, but teams that he preferred would rather wait till free agency to get him instead of giving up assets. Other teams won't give up much for a rental. this leaves the rockets.
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That is a possibility. My assumption is that Morey is looking at the Kings for help, to retain PJ.

DonKnock · Sep 29, 2018

jch1911 said: ↑

ORL: Knight (HOU) + rights to Edwards (HOU)
MN: Ross (ORL) + HOU 2020 2nd (top 40 protected)
HOU: Taj Gibson (MN)
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Would this not count as “packaging Knight”?

Ziggy · Sep 29, 2018

I believe he might not be motivated entirely by money. But what is he going to complain about here? He needs something to whine about.

Snow Villiers · Sep 29, 2018

Thanks for all the good stuff @Codman

esketit · Sep 29, 2018

wow!!!!! I AM SO GLAD I DISCOVERED CLUTCHFANS!!!! a true blessing to see basketballhollic and codman EXCHANGING DIALOGUE IN A CYBEREX THREAD!!! truly great minds of basketball and rockets fandom coming together and comparing notes right in front of my eyes! so blessed glory be to jesus!

robbie380 · Sep 29, 2018

jch1911 said: ↑

ORL: Knight (HOU) + rights to Edwards (HOU)
MN: Ross (ORL) + HOU 2020 2nd (top 40 protected)
HOU: Taj Gibson (MN)
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No reason for Orlando to do that deal without a first rounder attached.

Snow Villiers · Sep 29, 2018

esketit said: ↑

wow!!!!! I AM SO GLAD I DISCOVERED CLUTCHFANS!!!! a true blessing to see basketballhollic and codman EXCHANGING DIALOGUE IN A CYBEREX THREAD!!! truly great minds of basketball and rockets fandom coming together and comparing notes right in front of my eyes! so blessed glory be to jesus!
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Holic is a fraud. @jopatmc

DaBeard · Sep 29, 2018

Holic is a fraud. @jopatmc

esketit · Sep 29, 2018

Snow Villiers said: ↑

Holic is a fraud. @jopatmc
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**** you

DaBeard said: ↑

Holic is a fraud. @jopatmc
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**** you

esketit · Sep 29, 2018

how do i block these trolls

HP3 · Sep 29, 2018

ok..now, I think things have gotten a little crazy

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