Important distinction, right?... You'd think, after a year of Schaub regressing into a ditch, followed by a carousel of mediocre replacements, that people would at least begrudgingly admit you could do a lot worse than Schaub at his best. But nope - looks like people are instead doubling down on this idea that Matt Schaub was a terrible QB. Put any version of '09-'12 Matt Schaub on this team and it's a legitimate make-noise-in-the-playoffs contender.
Well yeah, if we had prime Schaub on the team no one that matters would be upset about the QB position....but we don't. This season we are talking about a guy who was too bad at being a QB to be the Browns starter, a guy who was a Brady backup and got hurt in his only opportunity to start after one game, and a raw 2nd year player who is nowhere near ready to be on an NFL field.
You can definitely do a lot worse than Schaub. And you can do better... meaningfully. Hoyer/Mallet isn't close to Schaub/Rosencopter ... because Schaub was clearly the superior QB. Hoyer/Mallet is as even as they come... at least if you believe the coach.
For someone who claims to be so involved with all of the machinations required to make an NFL offense hum, you sure do like to ignore facts that do not support your current dead-horse soapbox stand. Ask any Browns' fan as to why Hoyer was a different QB the second half of the season and they will tell you that once Alex Mack went down, the running game went to complete ****, and the WHOLE TEAM looked bad. You make it sound as though Hoyer just all of sudden started to suck , because "it's Brian Hoyer".
So once they had to rely on Hoyer more than the run game he looked awful? That's reassuring given that Foster is out.
My comparison had nothing to do with Schaub at his best. 2007 was not Schaub at his best. He had 9 TDs and 9 Ints that year. Rosenfels had 15 and 12 in 9 games (5 starts). Both of them weren't very good but Schaub seemed to be the more consistent (especially in practice) and more mature Texans-type player. The fans loved Rosenfels slinging it up and down the field even though he was nothing more than a great backup QB.
Yes, Foster is out, but (by your own words) we have a favorable schedule to start the season so we have a realistic shot to buy time until he returns, relying on our D and a game manager QB. We are not relying on Hoyer entirely, we are relying on BOB, which I'd say deserves a little bit of optimism considering what he was able to do last year.
That's fine. If we accept that our offense is going to do next to nothing and Hoyer doesn't try to make anything happen, we can see if the defense can outscore the opposing offense and maybe get a few cheap FG's to put us over the top, but a Hoyer led offense with no Foster is most likely going to be hard to watch.
I'm not sure what you've seen in the preseason that would make you believe that wouldn't be the case with Mallett under center either. I'll accept that I'm excited for week 1 against the Chiefs and expect to win the game. I'll begin to develop criticisms of our offense at that point, certainly not after 2 freaking preseason games, where we don't even run our true playbook.
The big difference is Mallett's ability to stretch defenses with his arm. We didn't see any of that in the preseason but we saw it last year and even before that. The biggest questions about Mallett were when it came to accuracy on short to intermediate routes and he showed that he could do that this pre-season.....hell even Hoyer was expecting Mallett to be named the starter. It doesn't matter now though I know, we just need to hope for the best, or hope that BOB makes the move quickly when it's needed.
Link to Hoyer expecting Mallet to be the starter please. It's pretty useless to be able to stretch the defense with your arm when you aren't consistent
I remain perplexed -and somewhat fascinated - by how dug you in you are here... Not only is Hoyer, more or less, Fitzpatrick 2.0 - but your language is lifted, almost word for word, from your posts last year when Mallett was named the starter and you ended up eating a lot of it (ah, perhaps you're regurgitating?). I would never advocate Hoyer as anything other than a serviceable NFL starting QB. But if BOB can drag a career-best (and overall decent) season out of Ryan Fitzpatrick, why are you so sure he can't do the same for Brian Hoyer?
Because Fitz had good seasons in the past, Hoyer never has.....and this isn't like last year with Mallett because there is a ton of film out on Hoyer, he is what he is. Fitz was just a gunslinger that needed to play within himself and limit turnovers, Hoyer is an inconsistent dink and dunk specialist. With Hoyer if you keep all the passes less than 30 yards and you primarily run the ball then he can be a serviceable backup quality QB...if you can't rely on the running game or you need him to try and stretch the defense a bit with his arm....look out, you are begging for bad things to happen. He was the worst QB in the NFL at deep passes last year and one of the worst at 30-40 yard passes. Defenses will know this and they'll play up by the line. With O line issues (injuries) and Foster down with an injury, the Texans offense is screwed with Hoyer getting the snaps. Now they might be screwed with Mallett too, but at least they'd have a chance of stretching out the defense to make the run game work. I get that we're arguing between 2 fairly bad choices, but it doesn't make the lesser option the greater option.
And before we try to go "small sample" with the deep passes from Hoyer, he threw the 4th most deep passes, he's just awful at it.
You're either blissfully unaware or willfully ignorant of how good Hoyer was to start last year ... In his first nine starts, he posted a 92.3, or better, QB rating in six of them, including three that were 111.5, or better. He was awful against Jacksonville in week 6 (it happens); otherwise, he posted a 98.2 QB in his eight other starts (145/234 (62%); 1,997 yards; 8.5 YPA; 10 TDs; 3 INTs) Again, that's 8 starts averaging 29 throws/game. And he went 8.5 YPA and set a 20/6 TD/INT pace. And these were career starts #5-13. Again, not like he came here with 77 career starts (like Fitzpatrick). Week 1 will be his 18th career start - and I'd argue his first with a competent coaching staff. I'm flabbergasted why you've dug your heels in so deeply on the idea that Brian Hoyer is irredeemable trash.
Fitz "has had good seasons in the past"- career QB Rating barely above David Carr's "Gunslinger"- 6.6 ypa Brian "dink and dunk" Hoyer- 7.2 ypa
Name the QB that's routinely throwing 30+-yard passes, LOL. Come on, you're smarter than that, aren't you? That sounds like something you'd hear on talk radio......
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Bobby is an obviously smart poster... I'm at a loss why he's so blatantly burying his head in the sand here. He's acting exactly like he claims a lot of posters here act like; an LCD-baiting, fingers-in-ears, NANANANANAI'MNOTLISTENINGTOYOU approach. It's really baffling.
