So we're just gonna ignore the monster season Zach Randolph is having....again?!

I don't hate the guy, he is a decent offensive player, and good rebounder. He needs players like Shane Battier to be successful with his team, though.

They should put together another edition of the Jailblazers for Kwame.

 

Shane Battier double-double in this game, +11 +/-. Where's the credit, Kwame?

 

I see you edited your post there. So much for half-assed credit.

 

Steve Nash....what? his teams tend to win....you cannot put his teams failures to make it to the finals on his defensive efforts. They've always lost to great spurs teams and Tim Duncans clutch 3 point shooting and the lakers in the playoffs.

He did a great job last year against the lakers but in game 6 kobe was...kobe.

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Z-Bo is ballin' out... People need to recognize.

 

Name a team's best player that doesn't need other solid players to be successful?

Most good teams have much better role players than Shane Battier.

 

I was responding to various posts by Kwame saying that Z-Bo "carried the team by himself", etc. etc. Next time, read the thread before you make a stupid comment.

Name better perimeter defenders than Shane Battier.

 

Yeah, but you said "he needs players like Shane Battier to be successful with his team, though" as if OTHER players don't also need the exact same thing. Obviously Randolph isn't carrying the team by himself as he's not scoring every point of every game -- but he's the unquestioned best player on that team and the only reason they even have a shot at the playoffs.

 

how many first or second team defensive teams has he made?

 

right. i don't really care about Kwame's potential love affair with him (if that is what's going on...?), but it's clear that needing a guy like Battier to be successful shouldn't be a knock.

Exactly. As if it wasn't obvious from your post for those curious, the answer is zero.

 

i really hate to jump in these battier/gay threads but I did. anyway, someone pointed that out in a thread about a year ago and the telling thing about it is this, those awards are voted on by coaches.

battier is a very sound fundametally defensive player who doesn't get beat by making mistakes. he plays really good team defense, but that's it, he's not a great defensive player.

he's a good defensive "coach" to have on the floor but considering him elite, I wonder if people know what good defensive players are.

 

Two in the NBA. He was also the top vote getter on the ACC all-defensive team in college. Thanks for asking.

 

As if it wasn't obvious from your posts for everyone, you are quite often completely wrong, and this is one of those times. Thanks for playing.

 

hey, you're right.

it's twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/battish01.html

i actually went there to check, but looked at awards and didn't see it. I guess all-defensive team is an honor instead of an award.

that said, when am i "quite often completely wrong". please demonstrate that. thanks.

shane battier is not one of the league's best role players. he's a solid one, but nowhere near as useful a role player as a Lamar Odom, Noah, Blair, Okafor type. His two 2nd team all defense selections certainly don't cement his status as the league's best perimeter defender, as your post implied.

 

Every time you disagree with me and try to be a smartass about it. See above. You are welcome.

 

great, so once.

congrats on talking out of your ass.