So we are gonna ignore the riot thats happening in Baltimore

LOL, Oops....

 

Exactly. Pointing loaded firearms at law enforcement should be met with force...

 

Ah yes. It's all really just a shakedown in the end, isn't it? Just make sure Al and Jesse get their cut or we'll be back to square one...

 

These people will clear themselves out of the gene pool eventually. You believe in natural selection, don't you?

 

Also, I need to call out this nuclear family s**t which is a popular trope every time something like this happens, the "nuclear family" has been "falling" apart for decades apparantly and violent crime on the whole has plummetted.

Bring facts to the discussion, not stereotypes.

 

When you're talking about a shakedown, do you mean when banks made a systematic racist effort to sell "ghetto loans" prone to going bad to "mud people", causing Baltimore to hollow out in terms of property values?

 

Just to clarify NS Storm: yeah, I am totally cool with using force - whether that be LTLs or live ammo, whatever they deem necessary to get the job done - to clear riots once they have reached this stage. We have 15 cops in the hospital at this point, and too many innocent people beat senseless for no other reason than they were the wrong skin color.

There are times and places where the use of force is legitimate. Riots are one of those.

 

So you want to preemptively clear the gene pool?

Were you pro-life again, I think now would be a good quote to frame.

 

You're wrong... I just put the most blame on the group with the power because black folks aren't flying dope into this country... But you can do a Google search about CIA plans crashing and being busted with tons of dope on them. They even admitted to a drug trafficking cover up before. So if you're going to bring up drugs don't be hushed mouth about what the government is doing.

Exactly... I don't see these good ol boys calling ISIS are other people "ANIMALS" in these other threads but when it comes to black folks... Different story.

 

LOL, we're not gonna do that right now. I'm not interested in discussing "root causes" with you, or listening to you try to excuse this behavior. There is no excuse for it, and anything you say in their defense has no merit from the get go.

I do find it interesting that a Canadian thinks that the breakdown of the nuclear family - especially in the black community - has had no negative impact on peoples' lives. It has nothing to do with their being mired in poverty. Not having a dad around, having a single working mom has nothing to do with that, no... The drop in crime couldn't be due to other factors, like changes in police tactics or anything like that, could it? Of course not. No relationship whatsoever...

Really, you make some of the most absurd arguments here. I suspect it's because you're a Canuck, far removed from the realities in America, that you have so little an idea of the dynamics actually at play here. But gotta soldier on for the cause, eh? Be a good little socialist and make The Man pay...

 

F-ck McCormick. Is Bethesda Softworks OK? Cuz if these a$$holes f-ck up the Fallout 4 release... I swear.

 

Nope, just give criminals what they deserve. Why is that so hard to understand?

I know that this is a heavy concept for your mind to grasp, but there just might be a difference in how an innocent infant and an adult criminal rampaging through the streets randomly attacking people because of their skin color ought to be dealt with. One has done nothing to hurt anyone and deserves a shot at life, the other has committed violence against innocent people and has forfeited at the least their right to freedom.

But this is the sort of false moral equivalence you douchebags are always trying to make. You're not fooling anyone.

 

Yes it does. Maybe not societies you care about, but police and government violence has been destroying communities for generations in this country.

The people in Rojava are showing right now that you don't need a racist authoritarian government to make the trains run on time or have a functional society.

 

If you read Freakonomics, you'd get the interesting insight that a difference-in-differences study of New York City (the hotbed of police innovation) versus other jurisdictions shows that new policing tactics had very little to do with the general fall in crime across the country, and that by the time new tactics were put in place, violent crime had already declined.

This is, of course, the same book that traces the drop in crime to legalized abortion--maybe your "other factor".

Anyways, I'm not interested in discussing with you further since you refuse to accept facts, want to live in opinion and anecdote, and consistently refuse to own the fact that your language suggests that you have dehumanized the people in this situation and are actively seeking ways to condone their murder.

 

No of course not. The shakedown that your heroes Al and Jesse have built their fortunes upon.

Let's say (for the sake of argument, it's never going to actually happen) that you get your reparations. The situation for these people isn't going to improve for a variety of reasons. You throw a one-time infusion of cash at these people - just like we did in Katrina - and they will go out and spend it on iPhones and bling. I know that because I saw it happen in Katrina. They will still be poor, they will still be uneducated, they will still have broken families, they will still join gangs and glorify gang culture.

You cannot change a culture by throwing money at it. So, a few years after "payday", when they're still angry about their situation , when the next thug gets wasted by a cop after assaulting him and trying to take his weapon, and these people riot again and burn their city down... Is the answer another "payday"? How many "paydays" will it take - in your estimation - to remedy the problem and change the culture?

Just a bit curious how much $$$ we're gonna have to shell out in order to fix the problem.

 

Right, so death squads? Summary executions without trials?

Way to start owning what you're saying.

 

Well, actually, no. We've had occasional police brutality events since the inception of the country, and they've never torn the fabric as these riots have. And they never will.

"Shutting it down" certainly will, though.

Ah! So we don't need a government at all now, eh? And I though *I* was conservative... :grin:

 

There has never been a "payday" for systematic racism and the effect of reparations is less the payment and more the castigation it causes to the offending party.

West Germany was 90% against payment for the Holocaust in the 1950s. When payment was made, a society that was premised on the inability to commit genocide against Jews was born, and only then could a great nation built on tolerance emerge.

The long sordid history of America has been systematic racism popping up again and again. End the cycle with acknowledgement of the sins of the past AND present and America can be great again.

 

Of course he's okay with that... Because it's against minorities for the most part. Just like he and others are okay with letting the KKK still exist and operate as a organization in this country.

And what you advocate as far as riots is wrong and will get them no where.

 

We need some psychological help for treeman. I don't think I've ever seen someone post as much vile, simplistic, hateful trash. He's like a scary, crazy as **** version of Archie Bunker.