So Auburn Football is totally [censored] - Real Sports with Bryant Gumble Exclusive

moestavern19 · Mar 29, 2011

Show hasn't aired yet but supposedly there are some juicy little tidbits coming out about players being paid.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ex-auburn-players-claim-systematic-pay-to-play-29592

I encourage everyone to read the transcript.

Or don't if you don't want spoilers.

(Spoiler alert!)
I have obtained an advance copy of the show and have transcribed excerpts of a portion of the Andrea Kremer-hosted “Pay to Play” segment of the show below.
The segment contains explosive claims from former Auburn players Chaz Ramsey, Troy Reddick, Stanley McClover and Raven Gray.
On McClover’s recruitment:
Kremer voiceover: “McClover said it wasn’t until he attended an all-star camp at Louisiana State University that he realized how the game is played. A game of money and influence.”
McClover: “Somebody came to me, I don’t even know this person and he was like, ‘we would love for you to come to LSU and he gave me a handshake and it had five hundred dollars in there. … that’s called a money handshake … I grabbed it and I’m like, ‘wow,’ hell I thought ten dollars was a lot of money back then. Five hundred dollars for doing nothing but what I was blessed to do. I was happy.”
Kremer to McClover: “What did you say to the guy when he hands you five hundred dollars?”
McClover: “Thank you and I’m seriously thinking about coming to LSU.”
Kremer voiceover: “But McClover says there were money handshakes from boosters at other football camps too. At Auburn for a couple hundred dollars and at Michigan State. All the schools denied any wrongdoing. And things really started heating up a few months later when he went to Ohio State for an official visit where schools get a chance for one weekend to host prospective athletes. McClover says there were money handshakes from alumni there too. About a thousand dollars. And something else to entice him.”
McClover: “They send girls my way. I partied. When I got there I met up with a couple guys from the team. We went to a party and they asked me to pick any girl I wanted.”
Kremer: “Did she offer sexual services?“
McClover: “Yes.”
Kremer: “Did you take them?”
McClover: “Yes.”
Kremer: “McClover committed to Ohio State right after that weekend. The recruiter at Ohio State who says he dealt with McClover that weekend denied the school was involved in any wrongdoing.”
On what caused McClover to sign with Auburn over Ohio State:
Kremer voiceover: “McClover says what he asked for was money. A lot of it. And that he got it. Delivered in a bookbag, exact amount unknown.”
Kremer to McClover: “You opened it up, what are you thinking?”
McClover: “I almost passed out. I literally almost passed out I couldn’t believe it was true. I felt like I owed them.”
Kremer to McClover: “You felt obligated to them (Auburn)?”
McClover: “I felt totally obligated.”
Kremer to McClover: “Because of the money?”
McClover: “Yeah.”
Troy Reddick talks about his recruitment by Auburn
Reddick: “I was contacted by a local alumni (of Auburn) and offered a large sum of money.
Kremer: “What are you thinking?”
Reddick: “That people are trying to take advantage of me. And I can’t give anybody any kind of power over me.”
Kremer voiceover: “He (Reddick) says he didn’t take the handout. …
Reddick on why he was unhappy at Auburn - and the remedy for that unhappiness
Kremer voiceover: “Reddick was growing increasingly unhappy because he says the (Auburn) coaches wanted him to change his major. Why? Because his class schedule got in the way of football practice.”
Reddick: “I changed my major, so my classes didn’t interfere no more but I didn’t bother to go because I knew I was only there to play football.”
Kremer: “So what did you do?”
Reddick: “I started complaining and insinuating that I was ready to leave any day. They had to do something about that.”
Kremer voiceover: “The enticement to stay, Reddick says, became clear to him, when one of the coaches approached him after a team meeting.”
Reddick: “He (Auburn coach) said I got some mail for you up in my office.”
Kremer to Reddick: “Some mail for you?”
Reddick: “And I followed him up to his office and he gave me an envelope. I didn’t open there, I walked out to my truck, took off. … It was about 500 dollars.”
Kremer: “500 dollars in the envelope?”
Reddick: (nods yes)
Kremer: “How often did you get the money in the envelope?”
Reddick: “Over that season it happened like two or three more times. And it happened about six or seven times my senior year.”
Kremer: “So where do you think the money came from?”
Reddick: “I think that worry got back to alumni from my hometown. Or it may have been the coaches or the staff but everybody knew I didn’t want to be there.”
On McClover being paid $4,000 for his performance in the Iron Bowl:
Kremer voiceover: “Stanley McClover says he was also paid while at school (Auburn). Paid by boosters. Like the time he had his eye on this 1973 Chevy Impala.”
McClover: “Private owner wanted seven thousand in cash so I went to my booster who I knew and he gave me the money the next day in a bookbag.”
Kremer voiceover: “McClover says eventually he didn’t have to ask for money, as long as he played well, he’d get paid.”
Kremer to McClover: “How much was a sack worth?”
McClover: “Anywhere between 300 and 400 dollars. For one.”
Kremer to McClover: “I think in one game you had four sacks, what did you earn in that game?”
McClover: “Four thousand. Against Alabama.”
Kremer: “Seriously?”
McClover: “Alabama, a rivalry game.”
Kremer: “More money because it’s Alabama?”
McClover: “Definitely. No other game matters.”
Chaz Ramsey and Raven Gray are interviewed at same time together
Kremer voiceover: “Chaz Ramsey played for a year (for Auburn) in 2007, and says he too received money handshakes after games.”
Ramsey: “You walk out and all the fans are waiting for you to sign autographs and everything and some random guy just walks up to you and shakes your hand and there’s a wad full of money.”
Kremer: “How much are we talking about?”
Ramsey: “300 or 400 dollars a game.”
Kremer voiceover: “Raven Gray was a top (Auburn) recruit in 2007, he says people affiliated with Auburn would visit him at his junior college and press the flesh there too.”
Kremer to Gray: “How much do you think you got?”
Gray: “Twenty five-hundred to three thousand dollars. Loyalty is the key. This man give me money I’m going to be loyal to him and go to Auburn.”
Kremer voiceover: “And he did go to Auburn but got injured before he ever played a game.”
On Ramsey’s motivation for coming forward
Kremer: “You have an axe to grind?” (Ramsey had a medical claim lawsuit against Auburn recently thrown out.)
Ramsey: “I’m not out to get anybody, I want high school athletes to know what they’re getting into. This is what college football is really about it, it’s a business.”
Ramsey and Reddick on selling items made available to Auburn players by the school:
Ramsey: “I would sell tickets all the time, Iron Bowl you can make a thousand dollars a ticket.”
Kremer: “How much money did that get you during your time at Auburn?”
Ramsey: “Five-six thousand dollars probably.”
Reddick: “I sold my SEC Championship watch right off the stage as we were celebrating in Toomer’s Corner.”
Kremer: “Why did you sell it?”
Reddick: “Because it was useless to me. I had to sell all my championship rings to help my sister not go into debt as her house was about to be foreclosed on.”
At the end of Kremer’s segment, the host read Auburn’s official response to HBO regarding the allegations by its former players:
The NCAA turned down repeated interview requests to discuss anything to do with illegal payments, despite new NCAA President Mark Emmert recently saying he wants to be more transparent with the media.
As for Auburn University, officials declined to comment on quote, “these alleged claims apparently made by a few former football players” and said, quote, “compliance with all NCAA and Southeastern Conference rules is a major emphasis and top priority for all of our athletic programs.
For more comments from Reddick and McClover, go here.
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Kam · Mar 29, 2011

I'm sure you can take out Auburn and replace it with any school.

moestavern19 · Mar 29, 2011

I wouldn't be surprised.

On the other hand, I would probably be a little bit surprised.

ThaShark316_28 · Mar 29, 2011

Kam said: ↑

I'm sure you can take out Auburn and replace it with any school.
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/thread and topic that's getting old

moestavern19 · Mar 29, 2011

ThaShark316_28 said: ↑

/thread and topic that's getting old
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You looking the other way Black Betty?

Because the Chickens are coming down to roost on the heads of the players, the students, and all the little people involved (not midgets).

Meanwhile the crooked shaft-blasters high up will merely shake it off and go have a Martini or 400.

Its crooked I tells ya

LongTimeFan · Mar 29, 2011

There was also a nice little tidbit in there about Ohio State paying at their camps as well. Tressel on the hot seat..

Icehouse · Mar 30, 2011

I'll probably get flamed for this but if you took illegal benefits you knew they were illegal and had no problem taking them, so don't drop a dime afterwards. No one forced you to accept $$.

UTKaluman597 · Mar 30, 2011

Icehouse said: ↑

I'll probably get flamed for this but if you took illegal benefits you knew they were illegal and had no problem taking them, so don't drop a dime afterwards. No one forced you to accept $$.
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Or maybe your view of the world changes from when you were 18 and you feel like you need to get it off your chest...

SamFisher · Mar 30, 2011

Icehouse said: ↑

I'll probably get flamed for this but if you took illegal benefits you knew they were illegal and had no problem taking them, so don't drop a dime afterwards. No one forced you to accept $$.
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Without having watched it I assume the point they're making is that it shouldn't be "illegal" under NCAA, given the hundreds of millions of dollars the NCAA banks annually from unpaid athletes.

Cannonball · Mar 30, 2011

SamFisher said: ↑

Without having watched it I assume the point they're making is that it shouldn't be "illegal" under NCAA, given the hundreds of millions of dollars the NCAA banks annually from unpaid athletes.
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Doubt it. It definitely seems like they're taking the other side of it, especially in the wake of the Reggie Bush stuff at USC (which I think Kramer also reported on for Real Sports) and the Cam Newton allegations at Auburn. As mentioned, you could find this going on at a lot of schools but they seem to be focusing on Auburn because of the attention they got from the Newton story.

SamFisher · Mar 30, 2011

Cannonball said: ↑

Doubt it. It definitely seems like they're taking the other side of it, especially in the wake of the Reggie Bush stuff at USC (which I think Kramer also reported on for Real Sports) and the Cam Newton allegations at Auburn. As mentioned, you could find this going on at a lot of schools but they seem to be focusing on Auburn because of the attention they got from the Newton story.
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Sorry I meant to say the point the athletes are making in being open about it.

DonnyMost · Mar 30, 2011

The NCAA is so upset about this they're going to punish Alcorn State back into the stoneage.

rockbox · Mar 30, 2011

There is too much money in college football for it not to go to the players and I think it should. As long as the students are going to legitimately going to the school and taking , I don't care if they get Mack Brown Money. The whole amateur sports thing is stupid.

DonnyMost · Mar 30, 2011

What they really need to do is create a legitimate amateur league where kids who aren't qualified for college and *WANT* to be pro athletes can go start earning money and working their way into the pro leagues.

The whole phony baloney student athlete thing when it comes to football and basketball is just getting so tired.

Those two major sports need a farm system that isn't tied to academia, the NBDL is on the right track, but the NBA's true farm system is still college... which is a joke, considering how most successful NBA players don't stay in college more than 2 years.

Of course, in order to make that work, that would require people to stop cheating their asses off and adjusting their admissions standards for athletes.

Rocketman95 · Mar 30, 2011

DonnyMost said: ↑

The NCAA is so upset about this they're going to punish Alcorn State back into the stoneage.
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i heard they were going to suspend britney griner had baylor won last night.

alverwi · Mar 30, 2011

As an Auburn grad, I'm not looking forward to watching Real Sports tonight. That being said, Stanley McClover is not a reliable source at all. His high school coach and former AU teammate (Junior Rosegreen) said that McClover is a "story teller and a damn liar" who lost his money, got desperate, and tried to sell out his school for some cash.

http://auburnfootballfanforum.yuku.com/topic/19650/McClover-and-the-real-story-

dharocks · Mar 30, 2011

Just pay the damn kids, with academic performance incentives.

Bear_Bryant · Mar 30, 2011

roll tide.

ThaShark316_28 · Mar 30, 2011

It was a great piece...doesn't disregard the fact that all of em CHEAT.

I'm a longtime horns fan and I know we might have some dirty **** going down.

J.R. · Mar 31, 2011

ESPN.com is reporting that a former Texas A&M assistant coach says a man who runs a Texas-based recruiting service told him the Aggies had to "beat" $80,000 if it wanted to sign Patrick Peterson out of high school.

Van Malone, the former cornerbacks coach at Texas A&M, told ESPN that Will Lyles, who ran Will Lyles of Complete Scouting Services, contacted him in 2007 after Peterson visited the school College Station.

"Will calls and says, 'If you want this kid, there are other schools that want this kid as well. They're willing to pay a certain amount of money, around the $80,000 mark,"' Malone told ESPN.com on Wednesday. "He said that was something we were going to have to beat as a university to be able to obtain the services of this kid."

Peterson ended up going to LSU.

Malone is now the recruiting coordinator and defensive secondary coach at University of Tulsa. He told ESPN.com that he told Lyles A&M doesn't pay for football players, and he later told Peterson that Lyles was trying to sell his services.

ESPN.com was unable to reach Peterson or Lyles.

Peterson's father, Patrick Peterson Sr., told the website he visited Texas A&M with his son. He said he was never told that Lyles was asking schools for money for his son.

"This is a shocker," Peterson Sr. told ESPN. "It could have happened. It could have come out of (Lyles') mouth, that's what happens. These guys try to make money on their own, they are kind of like escort services. That's what I call them, escort services."

Peterson Sr. said he has no relationship with Lyles, but met him at football camps.

LSU officials could not be reached for comment by ESPN. A Texas A&M spokesman told ESPN.com university was unaware of Malone's comments about Lyles. Malone said he never told then-Texas A&M coach Dennis Franchione about Lyles' request.

The NCAA is looking into Oregon's $25,000 payment to Lyles' firm and his involvement in the recruitment of running back Lache Seastrunk, of Temple, Texas. Oregon has confirmed it paid for Lyles' scouting service for videos of prospective student-athletes, which is allowed under NCAA rules.
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Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../peterson.texasam.ap/index.html#ixzz1IBvl8Je0

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