[SI's Sam Amick] New School/Old School Disconnect Drove Adelman's Exit

I think its a myth that players want to go to a team because of the city or the organization. Players come to a city to win or to make money. When we were attracting Pippen and Barkely it was because we were the best team in the west, McGrady pushed for the trade here because he wanted to pair with Yao (presumably to win). Same thing with Miami and New York now.

 

Good point.

 

Wait, what?

Name one personnel move, just one, where statistical analysis approach trumped "old school" mentality, whatever that is.

 

Trading Rafer Alston and starting Aaron brooks?

Trading Carl Landry for Kevin Martin?

Trading Shane Battier and starting Budinger?

 

Ya Rick was so disappointed in having AB that he allowed him to give away about 6 games this year by giving him every opportunity to redeem himself despite Lowry running his offense to perfection. Makes sense. Oh and let's not forget that we got LOWRY from that trade, I'm sure Rick is fuming about that lol.

Not even going to comment on the acquisition of one of Rick's favorite players, lol.

And exactly what advanced metrics indicated that Bud was a good player? The fact that he was worse in almost every single statistical category compared to Battier lol?? This trade was a simple case of getting something for an expiring who probably would have left anyway, no "new school" mentality involved.

 

This is absolutely HUGE. Rick the ruler REJECTED Morey's methodology and did things his way, and was successful despite having the team's two best players injured for most of the time he was here. All those posters who championed the "advanced" statistical approach so strongly look silly now. Who knows more about basketball? A GM armed with some spreadsheets and some wannabe stats gurus on Clutchfans or a hall of fame coach who's had success everywhere he's went? What a b****-slap by Adelman!

 

I believe what the poster above you meant, was that Adelman was against the Rafer trade because AB was unproven and the Rockets were on a major streak at that time. He pretty much had no choice but to play AB from then on and things worked out well (if it ain't broken don't fix it). Coincidentally, same thing happened this season, as we all knew AB was an Adelman favorite, while we were unsure of Lowry's productivity as a starter. I suppose the new school mentality is more of a euphemism for youth movement (or players with star potential). IE: Adelman not playing T-will despite Morey being so high on him, while sticking with his favorites.)

 

Huh? You mean playing players that Morey traded for, chiefly being Martin, scola and Lowery??? All of which are classic examples of Morey's methodology. Also, don't forget that the Rockets played better AFTER Morey dealt Battier and Brooks.... and Brad Miller, the player Adelman wanted, was a bust.

You don't seem to understand the Morey model.... a huge part of his success is surrounding himself with smart, hard working people... this includes our scouts (top 3 in the league), the trainers, coaches, etc.

Your logic is stupid. Adelman is a VERY good coach, and his staff is maybe the best in the league; but he is 65 years old and does not want to rebuild. Morey wants to rebuild... hence the differences and why Adelman is gone.

 

Since when does anything have be all or nothing. Why can't a coach use some of the advance statistical analysis and GM trust some of a coaches intuition. Compromise people. It works.

It just sounds like neither side could really find a workable compromise due to whatever issues and mis-communication/non-communication that occurred over the past few years.

It happens. Move on.

 

So was the decision to trade Shane Battier for a draft pick / size a "New School" or "Old School" decision? It doesn't appear Adelman was happy with that.

 

I am disturbed that Kwame's posts are starting to match up with my own...

 

What new school? We know what old school is, and it worked and is still working. My guess is it will work again.

As for the new school, you need to have a complete system to be called any school. Statistical method, data analysis, physical/mathematical model, or whatever you want to call it, is NOT invented by DM. It's been in use throughout the league, and much in the past. Just different ball clubs/GMs have different emphasis on that. DM relies on that a lot, which is OK. But any data analysis in any professional field, is not going to call shots independently. It's a supporting tool, albeit very important or even crucial. Basketball is still going to be played by players and coached by coaches. Experience matters, a lot!

Let's be clear here, there is no such thing as new school. It's always been old school, which has been adapting to new technology and methodology, gradually. Coach's gut feeling alone can't be called old school, and it can't be used stand-alone for all decisions. Neither is number itself sufficient enough for basketball decision making.

 

Fickle people. I can't believe that I'm actually seeing DM bashing.

Adelman did do a great job this season but could have been even better. His rotation was questionable until DM traded away dead weight. He kept playing AB who was a cancer on the court. He decided to start Hill instead of Patterson when Hill wasn't even in the rotation.

Rick is a damn good coach but don't make it seem like the guy was perfect.