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Since when do team records determine All Stars?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by htwnbandit, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. htwnbandit

    htwnbandit Member

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    Seriously. I simply do not understand how everybody considers Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson All Stars. Since when is a measly 12 and 8 All Star numbers? When he did make it in 2011 he had the same numbers, and I feel he shouldn't have made it. Same with Tyson Chandler last season, but at least he reached double figure rebounding. If you're only going to average 12 points at least throw in 15 rebounds a game. He may be an integral part on a great team but that doesn't mean he should be in the game. It is a team game but the All Star game should be based on individual stats, since it is exhibition and for the fans. Stephenson is averaging 13/5, also underwhelming for an All Star. The Pacers are surely one of the best teams, but there are more deserving players that are unfortunately stuck on bad teams that deserve to make it to the game like Aaron Afflalo and Kyle Lowry.
     
  2. CCorn

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    Hibbert is a lock, and he deserves it.

    Lance could make it, because the east is that bad.
     
  3. CCorn

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    And as great of games Lowry has had, he's only 16 7 as a starter. Not miles ahead of lance.
     
  4. tehG l i d e

    tehG l i d e Member

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    The difference is Lowry is leading the Raptors and playing good defense, both which don't show up in the box score. Stephenson really shouldn't get it but everybody including the TNT crew fell for his campaign.
     
  5. HardenWay

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    How can you be an All-Star if you team stinks? Any NBA player can be the best player on an average team.

    Team records should be a factor when voting.
     
  6. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Contributing Member

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    Nope.
    All-stars are all-stars because of INDIVIDUAL TALENT. Who gives a **** about their team?
    Oh yeah. Tell me more about how Kemba Walker is looking like a superstar MVP, HOFer in Charlotte.
     
  7. langal

    langal Contributing Member

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    If the other players stink.

    It should be a combination of factors, and team performance is a part of it. Just how much is the question.

    If one takes the "it's all about wins" argument to its end, then the last guy on the best team is better than the best guy on the second-best team. Likewise, someone putting up garbage time stats on a crap team is not necessarily a deserving player.
     
  8. htwnbandit

    htwnbandit Member

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    No he doesn't. He rides Paul George, and before Danny Granger. That makes him deserve it?
     
  9. Alvin Choo

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    Stevenson do leads the NBA in total triple doubles this season.
     
  10. yummyhawtsauce

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    all star voting is fan based is it not? so it everyone has their own opinion on whats good or bad. only reserves might hold to certain factors when voted in since they are decided from coaches
     
  11. htwnbandit

    htwnbandit Member

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    By 1 or 2.
     
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    Naw, individual talent will appear better for an average player on a sorry team, thus earning more votes. But if youre on a winning team and still producing numbers, then hello.

    So team record should have sort of factor.
     
  13. htwnbandit

    htwnbandit Member

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    Yeah, but in this case Hibbert and Stephenson don't stick out. They have only average numbers.
     
  14. RocketsJumer

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    Yeah I feel like the NBA should really fix the voting process. Make fan voting a percentage instead of the determining factor for the starters. The other factors to determine the starters and the bench would have to be individual stats, team record and coaches input.
    I'm tired of it being a popularity contest every year.
     
  15. htwnbandit

    htwnbandit Member

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    Fan voting isn't really the problem. After all, the game is for the "fans". It's the system that is. Why keep Kobe Bryant available to be chosen, if he's been injured? Same for Chris Paul. If they can't make it to the game, why have them available to vote? And why take away the C position? Other than that the best players do make it, even if the best player in their respective position is not in the starting lineup I.E. Aldridge and Griffin.
     
  16. htwnbandit

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    But they should't have a load of players available to be chosen either. Jeremy Lin shouldn't be on the ballot. Andre Drummond, Brandon Jennings, guys like that have no business being a ballot. There has to be some kind of stat recorder to allow/reject certain players from being on the ballot.
     
  17. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Hibbert has one of the largest impacts on the defensive end in the entire league, anchoring a truly great defensive team. He deserves to be an all-star. Just as Ben Wallace deserved to be an all-star every year during a four year stretch where he never averaged double figures in points.

    And let's not forget that he plays in the Eastern conference. Who really deserves it more?
     
  18. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    Since 2008's Tinman v McGrady case set the precedent.
     
  19. htwnbandit

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    At least Wallace reached double figure rebounding, 15 rebounds one year.
     
  20. pacertom

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    Numbers don't tell anywhere near all of the defensive story for Roy Hibbert.

    He may block 3 shots a game but then he alters 20 more.

    Sometimes teams just give up on trying to score inside until he sits.
     

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