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[Rumor] Rockets after Amar'e Stoudemire

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rockets934life, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Chuck 4

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    Per Woj:

     
  2. Olajuwon34

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    lol

    in all seriousness, we'd be crazy to let scola go. he's the heart of the team. you don't trade that away.
     
  3. rockets934life

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    Nothing new but good to see the rumor has legs...

    paulcoro RT @LEXthePEX @paulcoro Any new info on the Rockets after Amar'e? (S&T w/Hou is a possibility w/Scola & picks involved. But Hou wants Bosh)
     
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    I understand the concerns about Amare's health, attitude and defense. But the money concern is very minor in my opinion. For example, Jefferson's contract averages 15 million a season. So it's a difference of 5 million dollars between him and Amare. That's not chump change, but either player when combined with Martin and a re-signed Yao will push your team near the luxury tax. Furthermore, you will have to trade more of that young talent you covet to get Jefferson rather than Amare. So you lose it now, rather than later. Also, those guys you like at 10-13 million dollars will hit free agency at some point and likely will receive a max offer from somebody in the process. So you either have to trade that player, lose them for nothing, or keep them with a max offer.

    Amare is better than Scola. He can carry a team offensively while Scola cannot. Neither guy is a good defender, but Amare's athleticism at least gives him the potential to improve in that area. Also, Amare can play center and Scola can't. That is important with Yao's future in limbo.
     
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    I was on the ESPN page and saw on the box with the different twitters, someone named Larry Coon (not sure if right spelling), and someone asked about the chances he comes to Houston, and Coon said he thought he would go to a team with cap room. Not sure how reliable it is, just sharing the info.
     
  6. rockets934life

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    That's the cap expert I believe, I heard a few people say the same tonight.
     
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    Please don't post anymore. You are making yourself look bad. Your basketball IQ is VERY poor. You obviously havent been studying the game for very long. My post was to show that there are similarities. Not to show they are identical.

    1. Brooks is not your typical pass first setup man point guard who shoots the 3 very well ala K. Smith
    2. Martin is a streaky shooter ala Maxwell. I can see why a person like yourself with very little knowledge of the game cant see this. He hides it pretty well by using his ability to get to the freethrow line instead of just jacking up tons of shots when he is not feeling it. I stated in my previous post that Martin is not our perimeter defensive specialist like Maxwell was. That is our SF's job so if you would have actually read the entire post then you would have known that I wasnt comparing them in that aspect.
    3. Last time I checked Horry was NOT a very efficient 3 point shooter during the 93-94 season. 32% to be exact. That didnt come about until the following year. Horry also only averaged 0.9bpg that season. Ariza had 0.6bpg which is not bad considering that he is our PERIMETER defender who also played SG the majority of the season and is always guarding the best player on the other team. Horry was a slasher and a spot up 3 point shooter which is very similar to Arizas game. This was my point.
    4. Your crazy if you think that OT was not a good offensive player. He was the second leading scorer behind Hakeem. He played around the rim and had a high FG% because of all the dunks he had. OT was a 20-10 guy the year before he came to the rockets and averaged over 17ppg and 9rpg in his first 4 seasons with the Rockets before Rudy T took over as head coach. He never averaged more than 0.5bpg and 1.0spg in a single season for the Rockets. This is a pretty close comparison to Amare's game. The only difference is that OT took up the job of doing the dirty work for the team. Amare will not take on that role.
    5. Hakeem and Yao have the same spots on the court from where they like to get their shots. Both love to go to the baseline turnaround. Both love to spin to the baseline. Both work the middle with the baby hook. Both are the leaders of their team. Granted Hakeem was much more agile and quicker and could leave his defender dumbfounded. Im not arguing that. The similarities are there on the offensive end. Of course this could just be from CD teaching them where to take their shots from. You just have to look deeper than just saying that Hakeem was fast and explosive and Yao is not. That is a very poor analysis.

    So yes there are similarities at all 5 positions. No they are not identical replicas of the players from our 93-94 Championship team. So next time do a a little research on some things before you give another piss poor analysis since you obviously didnt see any games from back in the good ole days. And also to those people who think that Yao and Amare wont work because of them clogging the middle on offense then look back at Hakeem and OT. It sure worked for them.
     
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    Does this mean Amare is out of reach for Houston?
     
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    That's what it means.
     
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    Chad Ford answered the question on whether we have a shot at Bosh...his response:

    "I think they're a dark horse ... if not for Bosh .. then someone else. They have so many valuable assets and want to land a star. If Bosh wants to win, he has to take them seriously. I do think, however, that they're out of the Stoudemire running. By the Suns committing to Frye and Warrick, Phoenix no longer has the cap space to facilitate a sign-and-trade. "

    Looks like its a no-go with Amare.
     
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    If Bosh to go Miami - Tornadoes will destroy his home and break his legs
    If Bosh go to Chicago - Car accident....break arms
    If Bosh go to NJ - Hit by a train

    If James go to Chicago - depression for the rest of life
    If James go to NJ - status diminish and career down fall due to greed
    If James go to Miami - Hurricane destroy every mansion or home he owned

    If Bosh go to Houston - sunshine all around
    If James go to Houston - World icon status lifted over Yao
     
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    Goodbye Amare, I''m sure he always wanted to rejoin Antoni in NY. And he is getting a max deal which PHX wasnt going to offer.
     
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    Without Nash, I have serious doubt how effective Stoudemire can be.
     
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    UPDATE:with confirmation that Suns renounced Stoudemire's rights and can't sign-and-trade him
     
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    Wasn't he the one who got him fired from the Suns in the first place?
     
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    lol wow
     
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    ouch...

    and we thought the Rockets' caravan ended badly.
     
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    First of all, I haven't seen anything approaching confirmation that Stoudamire has been renounced. They have agreements with Hakeem Warrick and Channing Frye that supposedly require them to renounce Amare. First, Channing Frye is already their FA, right? OK, they need to be under the cap to sign Warrick, but NBA teams don't do all the deal at one time; they put one on hold until they can get another one out of the way. What I'm saying is, they can wait on the Warrick deal until they complete a S&T of Amare to Houston, if we can give them a deal that they want. Supposedly they can go after a max FA next year. OK, but maybe we can give them a deal that is more attractive than that. My point is, even with the agreements they have with Warrick and Frye, they can still do the S&T with us, if we offer them something sweet enough.

    Yeah, the S&T with the Rox would have to be a deal that dropped their team salary a bit, else they wouldn't be able to sign Warrick, but there are ways to do that.

    I'm a little uneasy about giving Amare a 5-year deal, which he can get from NY. I think it would be great in the short term, but hamper us in years 4 & 5. Maybe we are better off going slow? I'm down with signing a max FA if we can, but I'm a little unconvinced about Amare in the out years.
     
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