games like vs memphis, the media and fans will say it's all rose. those who clearly watched the game saw the defense and rebounding sealed the deal once again.
Deng, Boozer and Bogans gave combined for 8 points while shooting 3-15, but you still find a way to hate on Rose who has 18 points shooting 5-10
How is that hating on Rose? That's stating a fact about Rose's pretty low FG% after the all star break. Chicago has been surging too, so its not like the team has been hurt that much.
i wouldn't mention this if rose supporters don't claim "he's all their offense and he's doing everything" for them offensively.
The Bulls defense has just destroyed the Bucks offense in the stretch. John Salmons looks foolish. On the other end, the MVP lowers the KABOOM! on the Bucks with play after play. Wow!
12-0 closing run on the Bucks. Rose scored 8 and assisted on the other two. The defense was incredible. Coach of the Year = Thibs.
however, i have to admit this was an MVP-worthy performance from rose. he was amazing tonight. on my count, this was his 4th MVP-worth performance since the all-star break. but man, the bulls' D is NASTY good
You sure have high standards. Why do you dislike Rose so much? The fact that Chicago has been playing as a team, rather than just 3 superstars ala Heat shows you Rose is doing an amazing job as a leader of the team. Those are intangibles worth noting down.
high standards? we're talking MVP-level here. tonight was an MVP-worthy performance (he doesn't have to be at this level every game b/c this was like "best player in the L" type of game he just had vs the bucks). but shooting 40% since the all-star break? that's not MVP-worthy their leader is thibs, not rose. why? b/c they are winning with defense and rebound, something thibs is responsible for 100%. that's all on his philosophy and defensive schemes. can you imagine del negro still coaching this team?
Right, so Spol is the true leader of the Miami Heat team because he managed to handle the ego of 3 superstars, overcome the 3 superstars' public criticism of him, and become the leagues' best defensive and offensive team. Right? And Rose is not a bad defensive player if you are about to use that argument. For those who have the deluded Hollinger stat, read this. http://www.firstregime.com/derrick-...-who-is-responsible-for-the-teams-turnaround/
rose is not a bad defensive player, but he's not in their top 4 or 5. so for people to say he's their "leader" when the team is primarily winning with defense and rebounding, that's contradictory. if you saw tonight's and last night's game, the bulls win with shut down defense and outrebounding their opponents. rose could be hot tonight. fine. or he could be bad like last night. it doesn't really matter as long as their defense and rebounding continue to dominate their opponents. they just need to score "enough." the ONLY player who can truly say he's the leader of their team is dwight howard. in previous years, his offense wasn't up to par for me to say that. but now, he is without a doubt a beast offensively and he continues to be the best defensive player in basketball. now that's what you call a "leader" b/c he dominates on both ends and is the best player on his team on BOTH ends. like i said, rose is shooting 40% since the all-star break. how can you guys not see the ridiculousness of that? 40 freakin' percent. that's tmac on one leg kind of status right there shooting-wise.
Well, since the all-star break he's averaged 25 ppg and his team is 14-3. His true shooting% is .521 in that stretch. For comparison, McGrady's career true shooting% is .519 (and if you ignore the last 4 seasons when his efficiency has really plummeted, it was still only .525). And here's a picture to make the point a little more clear. Again, Bulls are 14-3 and have won 11 of last 12. Rose's efficiency was poor immediately after the break, but he's been doing just fine the last 10 games or so (above league average). By focusing on Rose's FG%, you're losing sight of the fact that he's been shooting more 3s and getting to the line much more.
taking away the bucks game tonight: 39.8%fg, 27.2% 3pt. that's ridiculously bad for a guy with the ball in his hands all the time. rose is a very good ft% so it helps his ts%. but regardless, that's not MVP-level. tonight's game is MVP level. if he plays near anywhere like tonight, i have no problem of shutting my mouth. now taking into account of guys with high usage ratings this year: lebron james: 50.3%fg, 33.6%3pt, 58.9%TS dwayne wade: 49.8%fg, 31.4%3pt, 57.7%TS kobe bryant: 45.5%fg, 32.4%3pt, 55%TS kevin durant: 46.4%fg, 35.9%3pt, 59.1%TS westbrook: 44.4%fg, 32.5%3pt, 53.9%TS chris paul: 47.3%fg, 40%3pt, 59.3%TS and there are more who are higher than rose for this year and it's amazing that tmac in his prime in his first few years with us was BLASTED for putting up these types of fg%. BLASTED.
Ridiculous. So was McGrady not the leader of the Rockets back in the jvg era because Battier was a better defender than him? McGrady was not near the best defender on a defensive oriented team.
in 04-05, tmac was our leader b/c he was legitimately our top 2 defender. after that, hell no. again, i have sounded my disappointment with tmac many times on his weaknesses and i'm not going to do that again. if he plays defense as hard as rose, he would easily be the best player during that stretch. rose tries, no doubt. but if you saw tonight of that defensive stretch on john salmons, you would know why the bulls' defense is so good. even the bucks' commentators were praising how they shut down salmons for 3 straight possessions. EDIT: face of the franchise isn't necessarily leader of the team.
So McGrady was not the leader of the 07-08 rockets that lost to the Jazz? The defensive oriented team that lost Yao for half a season?
