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Rockets after Greg Monroe?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tristan_fiore, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. Shark44

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    Never thought about adding Monroe, but dude is a good player. He's an ok outside shooter and maybe if he's working on that aspect of his game, he could certainly help as a scorer, rebounder and facilitator.

    He could start and move to the bench early and then come back to give Howard some rest. He would also be a very valuable asset (with reasonable contract) for acquiring that elusive 3rd star.
     
  2. OKCRocket

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    I highly doubt this source is legit.
     
  3. delishman

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    His shot chart does not inspire optimism.
     
  4. Kiddsir

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    Monroe is better than Howard at low post era.
    I doubt he can play with Howard smoothly.
     
  5. fluors

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    2013-2014 Per Game Stats for Greg Monroe and Terrence Jones:

    Greg Monroe
    PPG = 15.2; FG% = 49.7% on 12.4 FGA; 3ptFG% = N/A (didn't take any 3pt shots); FT% = 65.7; RPG = 9.3; TS% = 53.1; eFG% = 49.7%; PER = 18.1; Win Shares = 5.9 games; OffRtg = 103.7; DefRtg = 107.8; NetRtg = -4.1 pts; +/- = -1.9; DRPM = +0.88 (ranking 36th among the 88 PFs in the league); ORPM = +0.96 (ranks 17th among the 88PFs); Total RPM = +1.84 (ranks 18th among the 88 PFs); xRAPM (Off) = +1.26; xRAPM (Def) = +1.55; Total xRAPM = +2.81; Age = 23 yr; Games Played = 82; MPG = 32.8; Cap Hit = $10.2M.

    Terrence Jones
    PPG = 12.1; FG% = 54.2% on 9.4 FGA; 3ptFG% = 30.7%; FT% = 60.5; RPG = 6.9; TS% = 57.7; eFG% = 56.4%; PER = 19.1; Win Shares = 7.3 games; OffRtg = 109.9; DefRtg = 105.8; NetRtg = +4.1 ppg; +/- = +1.6; DRPM = -1.91 (ranking 82nd among the 88 PFs in the league); ORPM = +0.49 (ranks 23rd among the 88PFs); Total RPM = -1.42 (ranks 51st among the 88 PFs); xRAPM (Off) = +0.87; xRAPM (Def) = -1.45; Total xRAPM = -0.58; Age = 22 yr; Games Played = 76; MPG = 27.3; Cap Hit = $1.62M.

    Conclusion: Please draw your own conclusions but one thing is clear: replacing TJones in the starting lineup with Greg Monroe significantly improves our defense. The difference in the two DRPMs is a whopping 2.79 (TJones = -1.91, very bad; DMonroe = +0.88 very good). But the improved defense comes with sacrifice. Greg Monroe's presence on the other end of the court seems to interfere with and limit scoring opportunities for his teammates (Pistons score +4.1ppg more with him on the bench). TJones, on the other hand, seems to be an offensive catalyst. This is reflected in his Win Shares of 7.3 games and his NetRtg of +4.1 ppg (Rox score +4.1 more points with him on the floor), compared to Greg Monroe's 5.9 game WS and -4.1 ppg NetRtg. The reduction in scoring (replacing TJones with Monroe) could be as high as 1.4 games and 8.2 ppg fewer, unless Monroe can make up for that with superior defense. Is his defense good enough to do that? I don't know. But it's a given that teams will score fewer points with Monroe on the floor than TJones. Throw in Ariza, Howard, and Beverley, and suddenly opponents score even fewer points per game. Ariza is a perfect fit for this team (wing defender/3&D). Monroe is not the stretch four we'd hoped for but, as a defender, he is a huge upgrade to what we have now.
    --Age, PPG, FG%, 3ptFG%, FT%, RPG, TS%, eFG%, PER, Cap Hit, and WS taken from basketball-reference.com
    --DRPM, ORPM, RPM, and WAR taken from espn.go.com
    --OffRtg, DefRtg, NetRtg, and simple +/- taken from nba.com
    x-RAPM (Off), x-RAPM (Def), and x-RAPM taken from http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/HOU.html
     
  6. Deckard

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    Seems like they might be a decent tandem, absent getting the high caliber 4, 4/5 that we'd love for Morey to produce out of his pocket. Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, at any rate.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    For fun you should have thrown in DMo's numbers too
     
  8. fluors

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    Okay. Here's DMO's stats. You can compare to Monroe and TJones. DMo's stats are actually middle of the pack decent in most categories, for a PF. His contribution to the team is positive. For example, his +/- is positive and we score +4.0 ppg more with him on the floor. His defense, while not as good as Ariza and Monroe, is actually quite decent. Overall, he's a solid backup; not a difference maker but he won't lose us games either, so long as McHale kee[s him away from the three point line where he shooots a puzzling 25%. But he's a much defender than TJones.

    Donatas Montiejunas
    PPG = 5.5; FG% = 544.3% on 4.8 FGA; 3ptFG% = 25.0%; FT% = 60.4; RPG = 3.6; TS% = 50.4; eFG% = 47.8%; PER = 10.7; Win Shares = 1.4 games; OffRtg = 104.4; DefRtg = 100.4; NetRtg = +4.0 ppg; +/- = +0.8; DRPM = +0.53 (ranking 45th among the 88 PFs in the league); ORPM = -1.37 (ranks 48th among the 88 PFs in the league); Total RPM = -0.84 (ranks 45th among the 88 PFs); WAR = 0.94 (ranks 43rd among the 88 PFs); xRAPM (Off) = -0.16; xRAPM (Def) = +1.28; Total xRAPM = +1.12; Age = 23 yr; Games Played = 62; MPG = 15.4; Cap Hit = $1.48M.

    --Age, PPG, FG%, 3ptFG%, FT%, RPG, TS%, eFG%, PER, Cap Hit, and WS taken from basketball-reference.com
    --DRPM, ORPM, RPM, and WAR taken from espn.go.com
    --OffRtg, DefRtg, NetRtg, and simple +/- taken from nba.com
    x-RAPM (Off), x-RAPM (Def), and x-RAPM taken from http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/teams/HOU.html
     
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    Edited: DMo's 2013-2014 FG% is 44.3....not 544.3....sorry. All DMo's stats were taken from the 2013-2014 season.
     
  10. RoxBeliever

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    Can Monroe play the 5? We need someone to back up Howard aside from Camby's shadow
     
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    Trade for Josh Smith and sign Lance Stephenson

    PG:Stephenson
    SG:Harden
    SF:Ariza
    PF:Josh Smith
    C:Dwight Howard

    2 superstars, 3 borderline stars..in your starting line up. I'd rather have that lineup then this continue chase for a "3rd superstar".

    All two way players good and defense.:confused::p
     
  12. rocketsballin

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    he's someone we should look into. he managed to avg 14 or 15ppg with smith at sf, and if u look at drummond's shot chart, he's only shot a handful of times outside of the paint! monroe shouold be fine here. and i dunno why the pistons would even want him anymore. they have drummond and smith with that huge contract. wouldnt make sense to keep him
     
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    How does this work if Morey wants to save cap for 2016?
     
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    PG:Stephenson
    SG:Harden*
    SF:Ariza
    PF:Josh Smith
    C:Dwight Howard

    Almost* all two way players good offense and defense.:p
     
  15. Rocket_Man_2.0

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    Josh Smith is a much better fit next to Howard than Greg Monroe. While Monore would improve the team a little bit defensively. Josh Smith would be a quantum leap defensively. Rockets would have one of the most athletic and defensive front courts. Look how well T.jones plays next to Howard..Josh Smith would be T.Jones on steroids.:eek:
     
  16. arabrocket

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    THAT contract though
     
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    would be a great pickup, he is not a bad passer also for a big man
     
  18. kingkingston

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    as much as i like Josh Smith, he is a stupid offensive player
     
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  20. HardenWay

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    Yes, he can play the 5. People want Josh Smith because it is sexy, Monroe is the right guy. Starting 4 and back up 5.
     

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