Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

... "and after all, they didn't do anything illegal, and if they did, illegal doesn't mean it was unethical."

 

"But even if they did collude, was it a crime? Is collusion a crime? What crime did they commit?"

Or maybe there was a crime. Then there was a witch hunt.

"There was never any doubt that this was going to be a witch hunt, the question was always about what is the best that he can come up with"

Shouldn't have uncovered those crimes....... smh

 

Closer and closer...

Mueller requested phone records about Air Force One statement

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...trump-russians-air-force-one-statement-242984

 

You don't convene 2 grand juries with nothing.

DD

 

Manafort has been told that he will be indicted. Ignoring the fact that the president has committed obstruction of justice and witness tampering IN PUBLIC, a forthcoming indictment of his campaign manager is a plain indication that Mueller has discovered serious criminal activity on Manafort's part.

Mueller's investigation is in its very, very early stages. The fact that he's not running around slapping indictments on the side of buildings like weight loss flyers on telephone poles does not mean that he has not found substantial criminal activity. He is under no obligation to release any of his findings prior to what he submits to the DOJ. If he does in fact indict Manafort in the near future it is obviously an attempt to flip him as well as a signal to others that they need to cooperate or face their own serious charges.

But the idea that Mueller wouldn't have uncovered criminal activity is ludicrous on its face. I'm not lashing out at you, Nook, by the way. I understand that you are trying to hold a discussion with someone uninformed and unreasonable. Although why you would do that I have no idea.

 

I would think if there was nothing to be found then this would have winded down but the opposite has happened. White House is lawyering up in response to Mueller's bringing on white collared crime specialists.

 

I think when this investigation is over they'll find plenty of dirt, but lawyering up isn't an immediate admission of guilt. It's just the smart play to make when severe accusations are made.

It's odd being alive during a part of history like this. I remember being a kid and having to study up on Nixon and Watergate thinking I'd probably never have a major political scandal in my lifetime. Clinton getting BJs didn't count as a major scandal to me.

I wonder what will come of Trump supporters 10 or 20 years from now after the dust settles and history is written. What will they say to their kids and grand kids about why the supported a crooked administration? Same s-hit they say now? "Both sides are crooked. blah blah blah...." ? I remember sitting down at dinners talking with both my parents about Presidents they supported growing up and why they did. What the political climate was like durings the decades they were able bodied voters. What do you say in defense of supporting a crooked administration?

 

If you want to know where this investigation is going... don't watch the news. Watch Trump fans.

Trump fans consume media that is directed to them pretty pointedly to parrot what they say, and what they tell them to say about the Russia investigation is important in understanding how Trump and his GOP loyalists are reacting.

Starting yesterday we saw Ty Cobb come out with a statement that has been parroted a few times even here on the board in relation to Paul Mannafort. That being - "If Manafort did something illegal, he can go to prison and Trump is a victim of Manafort".

This tells us that Manafort is likely not getting a pardon because the Trump regime knows he's going down and attaching themselves to him in defense will only hurt Trump. The play is let the sinking man sink, and hope he doesn't flip on Trump.

The one to watch will likely be Flynn. It has been him since the beginning and he is so close to Trump that he can't distance himself like he's trying to do with Manafort.

So watch how Trump fans talk about guys around the investigation and Flynn especially. It's a pretty good sign of where we are in terms of guilt from Trumps aide, and where we are going.

 

I am talking about criminal activity that can be linked to the President.

 

But if the Kenyan Muslim Agent knowingly bugged now convicted Manafart in Tramp Tower, and the Legit President of the United States complains of getting tapped by said Agent, then by logical extension, isn't Legit President of the United States is a criminal too?

/kneejerkTrampThinking

 

madness

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451649/robert-mueller-special-counsel-investigation-manafort

 

Madness indeed. Such melodrama from the National Review. LOL. They had reason to believe Manafort might destroy evidence, presented evidence to that effect to the judge and were granted the warrants from a court of law that they needed to try and best secure the evidence. Nothing unreasonable at all.

But thank you for posting the article. My favorite melodramatic lines in the writing were in this order.
5. It was not enough to get a search warrant to ransack the Virginia home of Paul Manafort, even as the former Trump campaign chairman was cooperating with congressional investigators.
4. Mueller’s bad-asses persuaded a judge to give them permission to pick the door lock.
3. Mueller’s probe more resembles an empire
2. The growing firm is clearly scorching the earth, scrutinizing over a decade of Manafort’s shady business dealings, determined to pluck out some white-collar felony or another that they can use to squeeze him...
And the number one melodramatic whining from the article...
1. They proceeded to secure the premises — of a man they are reportedly investigating for tax and financial crimes, not gang murders and Mafia hits — by drawing their guns on the stunned couple, apparently to check their pajamas for weapons.

It was hard to narrow the melodrama down to just five lines even in the short bit that you posted.

 

Funny how the republican party has become the party of protecting criminal activity against our country...

 

investigation has been going on for over a year with an unprecedented amount of prosecutors and investigative scope/resources, and not a single crime has even been identified

 

How long was the Watergate investigation?

 

New Republican would defend OJ's innocence...

Breitbart Republican...well...

But if you say BENGHAZI!!! three times, veins will start bulging and foam starts pouring out their mouths for both.

 

You use the word "identified," but I think what you mean is "announced on Breitbart so I might learn of it."

 

It took over 2 years. The break in at Watergate occurred the night of June 17, 1972. Nixon resigned on August 8, 1974.

What's weird to me is that I'm living through two of these things. I'm old enough to have voted against Nixon, and had an argument about Watergate with my father until we both stepped into our respective voting booths (they had them back then) in November, 1972. Dad was a Democrat, but couldn't bring himself to vote for McGovern, and just found Watergate too absurd to believe. Everyone with a brain knew that Nixon would easily win in 1972. Everyone, apparently, except Nixon.

I bought into Watergate early, like I've done with trump and the 2016 elections. You can almost smell and taste the dirt emanating from this White House. Mr. trump will eventually do something particularly stupid, like arranging for Mueller to get fired, and it will blow up in his face. That will lead to more evidence arising, not less, and the Republicans in Congress might finally get some courage and act like patriotic Americans, not as tools for a buffoon of a president that appears to be getting more and more unstable as time goes by. We'll see. It may take another election to get there. I hope not. I have come to the conclusion that Mr. trump won't finish his first term. This feels more and more like a Watergate scenario. Evidence comes out, a drip here and a drip there, the majority of the people thinking there couldn't be anything to it early, and then opinion slowly going the other way, until when Nixon resigned, his own political party had turned against him.

There were far more moderate and conservative (as in actual conservatives, not the abomination most of the GOP has turned into) Republicans back then. Most had had military service, were patriotic, and when confronted with evidence of the illegal acts committed by Nixon and his closest people, they didn't continue to deny the obvious, that Nixon had to go and that people needed to go to jail. Some of the most important political players leading up to Nixon's resignation were Republicans. Heck, they probably don't get as much credit as they deserve. Today? Republican politicians holding high office are a disgrace in comparison, in my humble opinion.