1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Revisiting JFF...

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Hey Now!, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,485
    Likes Received:
    26,102
    Manziel is a very similar QB to Micheal Vick if Micheal Vick was a lot slower and less athletic.

    Also, I hear you talking about how hard he's been working, yet all we ever seem to hear about is how hard he's been partying....
     
  2. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    5,875
    Likes Received:
    711
    lol ... I forgot about you from the draft thread. Forgot that JFF banged your mom or something.
     
  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,946
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    Cause a) the media sucks and b) he can multi-task.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    63,485
    Likes Received:
    26,102
    SMH it's VY all over again.
     
  5. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    46,826
    Likes Received:
    18,545
    VY was with your mom too? Daaaayum
     
  6. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    If that's the case no team would ever draft a quarterback in the 1st round. But with the rookie pay scale it's not like that investment is significantly greater than others.

    Do you mean like Clowney in pass coverage :confused: Or the entire Texans secondary for that matter. Lol...

    What if Blake would have fell to #22-23. Would you be willing to lose out on Xavier and Nix for him...???
     
  7. Ricksmith

    Ricksmith Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,299
    Likes Received:
    613
    I can't wait for the regular season to start, but I'm sure there will still be excuses flowing for some people.
     
  8. rezdawg

    rezdawg Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2000
    Messages:
    18,351
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    That might have something to do with the media making a story out of Manziel going out one night...but staying quiet when he's working for a month in a row without going out. Come on.
     
  9. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,187
    Likes Received:
    4,860
    That's not the issue; you're trying to level the playing field by pretending teams invest evenly in every single position, and that simply isn't true. What team trades two starters for a guard?

    Yes. There are many ways they might be able to cover for it. How many ways can they cover for an incompetent QB when it's 3rd and 7? Don't bother answering... we'll get to all witness it first hand this year, I'm afraid...

    No.
     
  10. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    Ok...
     
  11. sammy

    sammy Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2002
    Messages:
    18,949
    Likes Received:
    3,528
    The play where he scrambles for perhaps 20 yards or so and then slides keeps getting replayed over and over on Disney Sports. It's like brain-washing.
     
  12. rezdawg

    rezdawg Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2000
    Messages:
    18,351
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    You're placing way too much importance on OG and DT...specially when both of those positions are being manned by guys that arent proven. If youre going with unproven talent, then QB trumps everything, all day, every day.

    Now, if we had taken a RT and a CB with those picks, then you'd have a point...but OG and DT arent game changing positions.
     
  13. Nimo

    Nimo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2012
    Messages:
    13,392
    Likes Received:
    7,056
    The guy is going to have a great one or two years in the league
     
  14. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,187
    Likes Received:
    4,860
    You're getting lost in the weeds. I would not trade two potential starters, regardless of position, for a QB drafted 22nd overall with no general consensus about his ability to translate his game to the NFL.
     
  15. Remii

    Remii Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,622
    Likes Received:
    106
    Not that a general consensus matters but are you saying Blake didn't have a general consensus that his game would translate...?
     
  16. rezdawg

    rezdawg Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2000
    Messages:
    18,351
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    If you're waiting for a QB that will have a general consensus for his game translating to the NFL, then the Texans will never end up with a franchise QB. Other than maybe 3 NFL starters, no other QB had a general consensus.
     
    #156 rezdawg, Aug 12, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2014
  17. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,187
    Likes Received:
    4,860
    He was more prototypical, sure. That's the problem with Manziel - there's really no precedent; he's a wholly unique prospect.

    I was in favor of the Texans drafting him; but I wouldn't give up resources to draft him. The risk is just too big. You don't want to be looking for a new QB *and* two more starters next year.
     
  18. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,187
    Likes Received:
    4,860
    There's no scientific approach, obviously. But there are basic fundamentals QBs should have (and those are evolving - speed/quickness is becoming a greater neccessity, for instance) and I'm not entirely sure Manziel has them. I went to A&M and watched him each and every week. He was fun but did things that would get absolutely, positively chewed up in the NFL. He turned his back to the LOS, he chucked balls up for grabs, he threw across field while scrambling in the opposite direction... I think he's an exciting player; I think it's going to be fun watching him... heck, I wanted the Texans to take him because I thought it'd be a blast.

    But I would never waste additional resources on him. If they thought he was first-overall worthy, cool. If he dropped to 33, cool. But trading two top 80-ish picks for him? No way.
     
  19. Juxtaposed Jolt

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2010
    Messages:
    20,803
    Likes Received:
    16,590
    Go out and win games. That's how we'll be the talk of the town.

    Good for Cleveland getting Manziel, though. That football team needs all the love and the exposure it can get from ESPN.
     
  20. Creepy Crawl

    Creepy Crawl Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2002
    Messages:
    2,914
    Likes Received:
    324
    OK... :confused:

    I am glad the Texans didn't draft the guy. I just don't think he will live up to the hype. Apparently 21 other teams thought the same, until he called the Browns and begged them to draft him.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now