Sure... all valid points... but what does any of that have to do with wasting resources to draft a QB with questionable QB skills? or one that can't read a defense? Or one that parties too much? Or one that is too small? Or one that doesn't throw the ball to the open man and would rather run and expose his already frail injury-prone bodies to hits from bigger/stronger/faster competition than he's ever faced? Imagine your above scenario, but add in them being stuck paying a young inept QB for 3-5 years? Simply trying doesn't help the progress... if they had belief that Manziel would be "it" (or Bortles, or Bridgewater, etc.) than they would have gotten one of them. The key here is that they don't believe any of them are the answer. You're also presuming the only way you can get a successful future QB is with a high first round pick... where in reality, that really only increases your risk of drafting/developing a bust vs. a success story (something this franchise has already suffered form once before).
I stand by my statement ... Last 11 Super Bowl winners ... Seattle - Wilson (Very Good) Baltimore - Flacco (Boderline Good, but I agree more in the game manager category) Giants - Manning (Definitely is a good QB, and I can't stand the guy) Packers - Rogers (Great) Saints - Brees (Great) Steelers - Big Ben (At least Very Good) Giants - Manning (again) Indy - Manning (Great) Steelers - Big Ben (Very Good) New England - Brady (Great) New England - Brady (Great)
The last 4 QB's in the SB Wilson - Game manager Peyton - Legendary QB Flacco - Average at best Kaepernick - Poor man's Wilson Also, on your list, Big Ben was borderline awful the first time his team won the SB and his performance in the actual SB was full on awful and Eli was being talked about as a draft bust before the Giants won the SB then he magically became "elite" overnight according to some.
With the current NFL rookie contract structures, no team is going to be burned financially, even for a complete bust at 1-1. Even with that said, I never said it had to be JFF, but they had to have a play to get SOMEONE that they felt had a chance. If that meant Bortles, Bridgewater, trading up to get JFF later in the first round, or even taking Carr with the first pick in the 2nd round, at least the Texans are doing something to have a chance. Instead, they are stuck with a known failed commodity in Ryan Fitzpatrick that is not even good enough for many terrible teams in the NFL. This was a complete and utter management failure of an offseason. This is why I love Darryl Morey. Even though this offseason blew up in his face, he takes the chances that are necessary to go for a team that great vs a team that can just be very good.
Yeah, ridiculous that fans would want what was best for their team rather than what might be best for one random player. Crazy talk. It's like they are fans of the franchise and not one individual player or something.
I don't think any well-run organization would - or should - trade two starters for an 80% chance that your QB will be middle of the pack, or worse. You're not a playoff contender built around the likes of Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich, Sam Bradford, Ryan Tannenhill (to pull a few first round QBs who were middle of the pack). The specific problem with Manziel: there is no middle of the pack. He's simply too big a circus to put up with 86 QBRs and 7-9 wins with no playoffs. And that makes the margin for error even greater.
I know that some people think he's the prima donna of the Texans, and for a while he was acting like he thought that as well, but in the long run, he's just one guy. Sure he was a great player, but there are lots of great players and none of them are more important than the franchise.
Ouch! Well put. When you can get around to it, could you or someone else please elaborate what that "system" is about? After watching the game last night I haves absolutely no idea - which puts me in the same group as the players on the team.
But you're just wanting them to use a high draft pick on a QB regardless of who the QB is... and that's exactly how NFL teams suffer from set-backs or prolonged periods of mediocrity. Are you telling me the Jags, Vikings, Browns and Titans are better off now having taken Gabbert, Ponder, Weeden and Locker? No... they all spun their wheels for 3 years (one of those teams essentially wasting an MVP season from one of the greatest RB's ever), and are now all drafted QB's again, with none of their teams being in a "better" position to compete. Same will soon apply to the Rams who haven't done anything since drafting Bradford (who I feel is actually a better QB than any of the guys I previously mentioned). The Bucs and Jets are still suffering from the demise of Freeman and Sanchez. If the Texans don't feel the QB has "it", they shouldn't draft one just to draft one.
I thought what was best for the Texans was to trade him for whatever you can get. He might help in a win or two this year which is a rebuilding year anyways. If we could have received a 3rd round, great. Funny thing is most that think he is under contract and needs to play will be the first to say he needs to be released next year to save cap room.
QBs require a signifcantly greater investment than any other position, and you can't design schemes to cover-up their weaknesses quite as easily as you can... well, every other spot on the field. Come on, Remii - there are seven in a defensive front; even if Mario were still here, and thriving, the Texans likely would have still invested in additional pass rushers.
Well the team either disagreed or the market for an aging, disgruntled WR with injury problems wasn't quite as hot as you thought it might be. Why is that funny? He is under contract so he needs to play, and part of that contract is the team's ability to cut him next year to save cap room.
You're clearly hating for the sake of hating. Manziel's work ethic has been second to none since his Aggie season ended. And his talent as far as arm strength and making all the throws is there, he just needs to get the mental side down.
He's all about football 12-5...which wouldn't be bad if he didn't say that he was going to be all about football 24-7 just a few months ago. Either way, that's not really "second to none". Also, just about his only skill is his deep ball but since he can't read even a college defense to save his life, that skill is pretty much wasted. He doesn't have speed like Vick, RG3 or even Andrew Luck, he doesn't know how to operate in the pocket, and he's not a terribly hard worker. How is he any more than a poor man's Micheal Vick?
You're just making stuff up because it fits the bias you have in your head about him. Im guessing Pettine has more insight on how hard Johnny has worked over the last few months than any of us...and he's had nothing but praise for Manziel's hard work. What does Vick have to do with anything?
