Thank you, gentlemen. I know that Jones is able to shift over to the 3 in NBA2K, but it isn't quite the same in real life.
I think it's funny people are talking about Jones as a 3. Those days are over for the NBA. Jones is a prototype sized PF these days, and his handles are just above average for a PF and weak for a swingman. I wonder if his posture (he tends to keep his shoulders low) tricks people into thinking he's smaller than he is. The guy's standing reach is among the best at his position, and his vertical too. There are less than 2-3 PF's in the entire league he can't handle because of their size. He's also quicker and more athletic than anyone his size. All this guy needs is to learn how to position his feet on defense, and how to help on team defense. Has nothing to do with how tall or heavy he is.
It should be noted that Terrence is only about 9 months older than rookie Nick Johnson. He'll be the 3rd youngest player on the team once Capela is signed. It feels like he's been around forever I know, but in reality the guy is still very much a pup. Not saying the team needs to be relying on him as their #3 star or anything, but I don't think he's yesterday's garbage that needs to go out to the dumpster like some folks think he is. If this team is truly in contender mode, than his role is likely going to be a 6th man type of big off the bench who can use his versatility against mis-matches. Whether that be his size over smaller backup lineups, or his speed/athleticism/open court skill against slow/big/old backup lineups.
Defense in the NBA is all about teamwork. It is awesome if you are a great on the ball defender but it really doesnt matter that much. PBev was 2nd team all-defense in the NBA and has the heart of a lion but it just did not matter. Lillard torched him all series long because of the Rockets very poor rotations and help. Yes, TJones needs to get tougher and get an attitude on D. But, he also needs to be taught where to be and when to be there by this piss poor coaching staff.
Terrence Jones is a 4. Few coaches would slide him to the 3, and then only in a pinch. To ask McHale to get creative with anything, let alone with something that better coaches wouldn't try...? Nah. That, and PBev spent nights in the hospital during that series because he was so sick.
The pace of play would have to slow way down for Jones to play the 3 successfuly. That may not be a bad thing. He would have the height to feed the post in half court set (Horry like). His length may make up for his footspeed. He would be mis-match for sure on the offensive end (he have a post game).
Jones' trade value will never be higher than it is right now. Teams are duped by his production last year. We need to move him while we can. He is NOT the answer at the 4 for us.
I am SHOCKED to hear this come from you!!! You should start a thread about this too. I feel like we need to hear more. Maybe you can enlighten us with some trade proposals too. (Just pulling your chain dude... don't go all ape sh$%)
I think T Jones can push his numbers up to 15 and 8 this season and make huge strides on the defensive end. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that this team will be a much better defensive team next season.
80% of clutch fans = debbie downer wah wah wah! 21 Tim Duncan, SA 74 29.2 .535 15.4 11.2 23.5 8.6 28.3 18.8 21.40 318.8 10.6 22 Dwight Howard, HOU 71 33.7 .600 9.1 15.9 22.0 11.4 27.9 20.1 21.36 384.8 12.8 23 Nikola Pekovic, MIN 54 30.8 .582 5.3 8.9 21.1 13.1 17.6 15.3 20.72 251.2 8.4 24 Isaiah Thomas, SAC 72 34.7 .574 23.4 11.0 26.1 2.1 7.5 4.7 20.54 355.6 11.9 25 Kyle Lowry, TOR 79 36.2 .567 28.9 9.6 23.4 3.6 11.5 7.5 20.20 392.9 13.1 26 Paul George, IND 80 36.2 .555 13.7 10.8 26.4 2.6 17.7 10.5 20.16 417.9 13.9 27 Kyrie Irving, CLE 71 35.2 .533 21.6 9.5 27.8 2.3 9.5 5.8 20.14 340.4 11.3 28 Mike Conley, MEM 73 33.5 .545 25.3 8.6 24.7 2.0 8.4 5.2 20.07 331.0 11.0 29 Manu Ginobili, SA 68 22.8 .590 25.7 12.2 24.2 2.3 12.0 7.3 20.06 221.2 7.4 Joakim Noah, CHI 80 35.3 .531 27.4 12.3 18.9 11.6 24.5 18.2 20.06 398.3 13.3 RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA 31 Kenneth Faried, DEN 80 27.2 .573 8.1 11.4 19.7 11.8 22.2 16.9 19.90 273.1 9.1 32 Paul Millsap, ATL 74 33.5 .545 14.2 11.3 23.7 7.2 21.9 14.6 19.83 308.4 10.3 33 Serge Ibaka, OKC 81 32.9 .576 6.7 9.7 18.0 10.0 19.6 15.0 19.66 324.8 10.8 34 Eric Bledsoe, PHX 43 32.9 .578 22.6 13.8 24.4 2.1 13.8 8.0 19.62 182.2 6.1 35 John Wall, WSH 82 36.3 .524 28.5 11.7 27.7 1.5 11.7 6.5 19.61 383.0 12.8 36 Kawhi Leonard, SA 66 29.1 .602 14.6 8.8 17.0 4.6 18.9 12.1 19.43 256.3 8.5 37 Jordan Hill, LAL 72 20.8 .579 7.4 10.3 17.6 13.8 24.3 19.0 19.39 176.6 5.9 38 Pau Gasol, LAL 60 31.4 .522 15.0 10.5 24.4 7.0 25.9 16.4 19.34 245.8 8.2 39 David Lee, GS 69 33.2 .566 10.4 10.8 22.4 8.8 21.6 15.3 19.21 263.2 8.8 40 Terrence Jones, HOU 76 27.3 .577 9.1 7.4 16.8 9.2 18.5 14.1 19.14 236.9 7.9 RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA 41 Chris Bosh, MIA 79 32.0 .597 6.8 9.7 20.0 5.1 20.3 13.0 19.11 321.5 10.7 42 Mason Plumlee, BKN 70 18.2 .670 11.4 14.7 15.6 9.3 19.6 14.5 19.09 144.4 4.8 43 Ty Lawson, DEN 62 35.8 .553 31.4 11.6 23.5 1.9 8.5 5.2 19.02 266.0 8.9 44 Derrick Favors, UTAH 73 30.2 .556 8.3 11.8 19.3 10.1 23.7 16.7 19.01 276.3 9.2 45 Tony Parker, SA 68 29.4 .555 24.9 9.7 25.9 1.0 7.5 4.4 19.00 238.5 7.9 46 Ryan Anderson, NO 22 36.1 .572 4.1 4.8 20.9 9.5 11.3 10.4 18.89 87.7 2.9 Amar'e Stoudemire, NY 65 22.6 .596 4.4 11.8 21.3 8.7 17.2 12.8 18.89 161.6 5.4 48 Andray Blatche, BKN 73 22.2 .532 11.3 11.1 23.4 8.9 19.9 14.4 18.85 199.2 6.6 Nikola Vucevic, ORL 57 31.8 .536 10.7 11.5 20.0 11.5 27.6 19.5 18.85 223.0 7.4 50 Patty Mills, SA 81 18.9 .588 16.3 6.9 21.2 2.6 9.6 6.2 18.80 177.7 5.9
he's a 4 IMHO. I see him as a more efficient, defensively suspect, Josh Smith. I am really excited to see him take the next step this year. He has a chance to be a strong starter in this league. I hope Morey holds onto him. After losing Parsons for nothing, i'm hesitant to give up our 2nd best trade asset.
Hopefully better than he fares against big PF's in the post....I mean, there's no perfect solution, Jones is a terrible defender but I think he'd be playing to his strengths if he was guarding the smaller players with his athleticism rather than just getting run over by the bigs. We can talk about his wingspan all we like, but that doesn't make it any better when guys are pushing him around and shooting over him. Of course, maybe he'll be better this year, there's no question that learning the fundamentals of defense and knowing where to be on the court and how to rotate in order to play help defense would help him out a ton. Maybe he does a have a future at the 4, I just don't see it being a particularly bright one.
Actually T_ones is an extremely undersized 5. If you look at his HS footage, all he did was play the pivot. He can't shoot, can't shoot, can't shoot. All he can do is finish and drive the ball end-to-end off the glass. He has a very mixed up skill set with his handle and dishing ability. But if you rely on him to create, he's in big time trouble...because....he can't shoot. And when defenses spread out on his playmaking he turns into a high-turnover death spiral for a team. The truth about _ones is he has not improved his skill set since high school. He still can't shoot. Didn't learn to shoot in 2 seasons at UK nor his first 2 seasons in the NBA. Dude is a 30% shooter from EVERYWHERE on the court except the low blocks. And did I also tell you he can't shoot? And people on here want him to play the 3?? Hey...he can't shoot.
Truth is, Jones was a top 5 contributor last year, but in most key production areas he was #3 to #6 behind Harden, Howard, and Parsons. He was mixed up statistically with Lin & Asik. Its all here to see: (make up your own judgement... don't listen to anyone else) http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2014.html We know for a given fact that Ariza will be a top 6 contributor, but we don't know (or should we knowingly project that) if he's going to makeup for all of the areas in production that Parsons gave the team to keep the overall production at the same level. The question that should be asked is if Jones can leapfrog Ariza to contribute at the level that Parsons did last year? ............. IMO, I don't think the main answer to the questions with this roster will be answered, or should be answered by Jones, or Ariza, or whomever else making up for that high of a level of production. You have to assume that they will be where their career #'s say they are going to be.... which is probably more in the #4 through #6 range. I think logically you shouldn't EXPECT Jones to make that kind of jump. If the Rockets aren't going to be able to make up that or increase the production of their 3rd best player (last year obviously Parsons), then they need to increase the production overall of their #3 through #6 players. Meaning you need to add another Lin, Asik, and Jones' type to account for quality depth. The Rockets have 4 of the top 6 needed to maintain. They need probably 2 other major contributors. -Does trading for a Ilyasova get you there.... partially IMO (still need another quality 4-6 player) -Does signing Marion to the MLE do so.... partially IMO(still need another contributor). -However... does trading for a Rondo or a Dragic level player do so.... yes IMO because their production level is high enough to essentially replaces the overall production of where Parsons' production was & in some areas actually improves the overall production. Therefore decreasing the need to add multiple 4 through 6 contributors & maintain or exceed the overall team production from last year. If you are going to just bring in someone on the level of an Ilyasova to this group, IMO you are still 1 more good player away from getting to the level that the Rockets were at last year or getting better. Point of all this is - The Rockets really need 3 players on their roster to step up this year to be contributors, and they need someone like Jones to really, really take a huge step up to replace Parsons' level of production. Otherwise they take a step back in team production. The real need of this team is either a TRUE #3 contributor, or the ability to acquire 2 solid rotation players without giving up pretty much anything.
It sure was, but some put in a lot more effort than others. Take Jones out and insert Asik and DMo instead and like the person you were responding to said, we probably beat the Blazers. Jones' completely inept defense is what allowed LMA to get as hot as he was. He never should have been put in that situation because he'll never be any good against the larger PF's in the league.
Asik should have been there for sure. D-Mo has better defensive awareness than Jones, but he was playing even softer than him before the playoffs started.
The reason I mention DMo is not to have put him on LMA, it's that they could have put him on Lopez allowing Howard or Asik to play on LMA at all times.
Lots of centers running fast breaks these days? Of course he played center in high school, he was bigger than everyone else.
